So do we all agree that Marquez won the last 2 pac fights!?!

[Fetta]

1st fight a draw. 2nd I thought JMM pulled it off but it was close so either way I'm ok or draw. 3 rd fight was flat out robbery. I don't care what anyone says or what arguments they try to bring up. I was there and saw the look onso many faces before and after the decision was given and I have seen it again many times on tv. JMM won that fight hands down and for every 1 that thinks PAC won there are 5 that think JMM won and won straight out

[RubenSonny]

yah true, according to marquez himself and pac haters
but none of the judges had marquez winning, the closest was a draw by one judge...hbo analyst ledderman had pac winning by 3 points i believe...and i tend to agree with leddermens scoring more than most of the judges who score the fights

Did you agree with Ledermans score for Alexander-Kotelnik?

[Fetta]

Before the fight everyone expected a KO from PAC and when that didnt happen they say PAC lost. Just like with Mosley, the hype was that Mosley has never been stop and PAC might very well be the first to do it. When that didn't happen they say PAC struggle even though he won all 12rds lol!!!

I didn't expect him to ko JMM but I didn't expect JMM to control PAC like he did. This was JMM fight while PAC looked frustrated and didn't know what to do. That's why I think JMM won. JMM was the general the whole fight letting PAC come to him and countering everything PAC did.

As for Mosley I think why so many think that is because yes PAC won all the rounds but he couldn't cut off the ring and catch the running Mosley. PAC looked like ****e in that fight. Sloppy and relying on one skill set his speed instead of adapting. Take his speed away and he's crap IMO

[Mayabang]

As for Mosley I think why so many think that is because yes PAC won all the rounds but he couldn't cut off the ring and catch the running Mosley. PAC looked like ****e in that fight. Sloppy and relying on one skill set his speed instead of adapting. Take his speed away and he's crap IMO

LOL....you said so yourself - Mosley was running. Damn some of you guys just like to hate.

But let's say you're right, that Manny can't cut off the ring, so friggin what? So only because he's not good at cutting off the ring you automatically think he's crap? I guess if dominating a running Mosley for 12 rounds plus knocking him down and hurting him that he forgot what round it was, means Pac looks like shit, then yeah, that was a crappy performance by Pac, lol.

Haters are too damn funny

[Bermuda]

I thought pac won the 2nd fight...but just barely won it on my scorecard..and i thought the 3rd fight was a draw.

[Bermuda]

Yes Marquez was the smaller man, 2 weight classes in fact.

Compu box doesn't equal fact. Marquez landed the cleaner more effective punches period. You say walked down like Pacman was the effective aggressor, he wasn't. He was turned & countered all night. His punch output was low & he looked to be following ******ly than walking anyone down.

Sounds like you're assuming I'm a Floyd fan, I'm not. Don't see the reason you brough him up, but oh well.

Pacman isn't slowing down he's the same as he's always been. Mosley moved away & Marquez moved latterally, that's why he looked like $h!t both times.

On fight night pac was the smaller man though..Marquez weighed about 150 lbs I think..

[Deevel916]

I had JMM winning the 3rd fight only. The knockdown in the 2nd fight made the difference and is the sole reason why Pac won.

[Fetta]

LOL....you said so yourself - Mosley was running. Damn some of you guys just like to hate.

But let's say you're right, that Manny can't cut off the ring, so friggin what? So only because he's not good at cutting off the ring you automatically think he's crap? I guess if dominating a running Mosley for 12 rounds plus knocking him down and hurting him that he forgot what round it was, means Pac looks like shit, then yeah, that was a crappy performance by Pac, lol.

Haters are too damn funny

No hate. I don't care about the PAC v Floyd crap so many pull and which you obviously do. I watch boxing and if Floyd looks bad I will say it too. Not to extreme of you I can tell but I will honest.

It is possible to cut off the ring when a guy is running around. So many places to go. It involves foot work and ring generalship. He looked like crap against a corpse and lost to JMM.

[Bushbaby]

On fight night pac was the smaller man though..Marquez weighed about 150 lbs I think..

Marquez was a lightweight Pacman a welterweight end of story.

[PACsmash]

I didn't expect him to ko JMM but I didn't expect JMM to control PAC like he did. This was JMM fight while PAC looked frustrated and didn't know what to do. That's why I think JMM won. JMM was the general the whole fight letting PAC come to him and countering everything PAC did.

As for Mosley I think why so many think that is because yes PAC won all the rounds but he couldn't cut off the ring and catch the running Mosley. PAC looked like ****e in that fight. Sloppy and relying on one skill set his speed instead of adapting. Take his speed away and he's crap IMO

u didnt, but 10203837837344 other people did. i just dont get how someone look like ******* but won all rounds?? damm did u see the game last night? lakers beat the bulls 107-30 but damm the lakers hella struggle for all 4 quarters LOL!! so u're saying pac is only successful because of his speed?? i didnt know speed controls accuracy power?