So do we all agree that Marquez won the last 2 pac fights!?!

[indystress]

I mean with all the boxers who back it up and all the fans that back it up can we officially say he was robbed 2 fights !?! He won both IMO

u have just as many boxers and fans who believed pac won all 3 fights...as for the last fight, marquez landed some nicer power punches but pac outlanded marquez by about 40 punches...and was the aggressor

[zab191]

failed.
Marquez definitely did not win the third fight.
To the naked eye it look like Marquez won the fight,cause he land the most clean shots in the fight. but if you replay the fight and score round by round. You definitely see many rounds where Marquez did nothing but backtrack.
He loses all these round.

You dont score fight from just clean punches, it round by round.

It think you watched Margarito v Pac not Marquez and some how got them mixed or you have absolutley no idea what you are talking about.

Marquez beat Pac three times.

[2120]

marquez won all three fights

score the fight round by round and Marquez is the winner

clean effective punching won those fights

for those who keep bringing up what marquez's face looked liked at the end of the fight how long have you been watching boxing?

there are plenty of fights were guy with a busted up face was outboxing the guy he was facing

juan manuel marquez vs juan diaz in the second fight for example

[indystress]

He clearly won the 3rd. He turned him, countered him, made Pacman fight his fight. Took his soul left him hanging his head after the final bell & was robbed soundly. Even Khan said Marquez won, that tells you all you need to know.

It is logical that the kd cost him the 2nd fight. But the 3rd the clean effective punches were Marquez all day. But like I said the 3rd fight was the 1st fight that I've seen where the smaller, slower, weaker man beat the bigger, faster, stronger man. I've never seen that before in boxing. Usually the smaller man is at least faster.

marquez was the smaller man? even tho they both basically weighed the same on fight nite...true that they both fight in different divisions, but basically the same weight (and size) on fight nite

as for marquez countering pac, yah he did, but how the heck do u win a fight while being walked down and outlanded by about 40 punches? true that marquez threw some nice punches that landed, but unless its a KD, its hard to win while your opponant is the one forcing the fight and out landing you by 40 punches...i have no doubt that you believe mayweather beat castillo in the first fight even though castillo out power punched mayweather by a 100 punches...

pac is starting to slow down since the margarito fight...which could be blamed to fighting and getting hit by the bigger guys,,,and the fact that pac is doing all these interviews and visits and performing in his band, working in politics. etc......i can see how it couldve taken out alot from pac physically and mentally...because daammm, pac is one busy dude

[indystress]

It think you watched Margarito v Pac not Marquez and some how got them mixed or you have absolutley no idea what you are talking about.

Marquez beat Pac three times.

yah true, according to marquez himself and pac haters
but none of the judges had marquez winning, the closest was a draw by one judge...hbo analyst ledderman had pac winning by 3 points i believe...and i tend to agree with leddermens scoring more than most of the judges who score the fights

[zab191]

yah true, according to marquez himself and pac haters
but none of the judges had marquez winning, the closest was a draw by one judge...hbo analyst ledderman had pac winning by 3 points i believe...and i tend to agree with leddermens scoring more than most of the judges who score the fights

You and Ledderman need your heads tested

[Bushbaby]

marquez was the smaller man? even tho they both basically weighed the same on fight nite...true that they both fight in different divisions, but basically the same weight (and size) on fight nite

as for marquez countering pac, yah he did, but how the heck do u win a fight while being walked down and outlanded by about 40 punches? true that marquez threw some nice punches that landed, but unless its a KD, its hard to win while your opponant is the one forcing the fight and out landing you by 40 punches...i have no doubt that you believe mayweather beat castillo in the first fight even though castillo out power punched mayweather by a 100 punches...

pac is starting to slow down since the margarito fight...which could be blamed to fighting and getting hit by the bigger guys,,,and the fact that pac is doing all these interviews and visits and performing in his band, working in politics. etc......i can see how it couldve taken out alot from pac physically and mentally...because daammm, pac is one busy dude

Yes Marquez was the smaller man, 2 weight classes in fact.

Compu box doesn't equal fact. Marquez landed the cleaner more effective punches period. You say walked down like Pacman was the effective aggressor, he wasn't. He was turned & countered all night. His punch output was low & he looked to be following ******ly than walking anyone down.

Sounds like you're assuming I'm a Floyd fan, I'm not. Don't see the reason you brough him up, but oh well.

Pacman isn't slowing down he's the same as he's always been. Mosley moved away & Marquez moved latterally, that's why he looked like $h!t both times.

[AssasinKing]

I had first and last fight pac wins

2nd fight I had a draw

I dont see how anyone can call these fights robberies...

When nearly every person on boxingscene would have a different winner, and probably would disagree on individual rounds let alone the whole fight

[AssasinKing]

Yes Marquez was the smaller man, 2 weight classes in fact.

Compu box doesn't equal fact. Marquez landed the cleaner more effective punches period. You say walked down like Pacman was the effective aggressor, he wasn't. He was turned & countered all night. His punch output was low & he looked to be following ******ly than walking anyone down.

Sounds like you're assuming I'm a Floyd fan, I'm not. Don't see the reason you brough him up, but oh well.

Pacman isn't slowing down he's the same as he's always been. Mosley moved away & Marquez moved latterally, that's why he looked like $h!t both times.

When people say stuff like this it doesnt make sense

His punch output according to what?... If your judging the fight, Your not going to act like you have seen pacquiao before, and take away rounds from him because he doesnt look the same as a previous performance

[Xyei]

I think he lost the 2nd fight and dominated the rubber match

I agree. I watched the second fight quite a few times and thought Pac won. I honestly feel that Marquez won the last one though.