Comments Thread For: Odlanier Solis Plans To Impress: Targets The Klitschkos

[4Corners]

Pretty solid post, although I refuse to by into the Joshua-Lewis comparisons. That is some hypejob shit if there ever was some, which is far and away no knock on Joshua, the Brits are doing him a great disservice to compare him to an ATG top 10 HW (according to a lot of people) at this stage in his young boxing career (the guy is impressive as hell though at this stage, though he's still very green).

I was Wilder supporter, but I refuse to give the guy the time of day fighting so many bums and not stepping up. I know he's a young guy with very limited experience, but first round KOs over a continuous string of bum-of-the-weeks doesn't help to advance the career of an Olympic medalist.

I agree most certainly with your opinion that out of shape heavyweights are a cancer on the sport, and like your appraisal overall. Pryce is one guy I'm looking forward to seeing more of (as with all the others--I'm a bit partial to heavyweights for whichever reason).

Wasn't saying Joshua will be the next Lennox or that they fight alike, becaue they don't. I was just saying the trainer's in England are on record as saying he can go as far as Lennox went. We'll have to see what happens when he turns pro of course.

Wilder has the tools. Sound skills, good hand speed, the height and power, but the guy needs to step up. I'm done seeing him fight no names. Same goes for Mike Perez and Malik Scott, two guys I like.

David Price is legit. He looks like it at least, and Pulev looks pretty good as well so far. I think Denis Boytsov has sound skills and is all around pretty good, we'll have to see what happens with him as well.

Seth Mitchell, I can see him stepping up, he's last fight and his next one are decent step ups for him at this point, but I think he'll get thrown in with a Wlad and destroyed. I can already tell he's getting overhyped to be the best American HW since Moorer, Holyfield, and Bowe, and he's probably not going to be. Another guy to watch is Bryant Jennings. He looked pretty solid a week ago Liakhovich, though he's past his best by far. But, he beat him as handily as Helenius did last year. Jennings vs. Helenius would be a good fight.

[Drunken Cat]

The 90s was still better. And Moorer was putting in work on old George until that punch of course.

The 90's had a past prime-still good Tyson, Bowe, Lewis, Holyfield, Moorer, at the top.

The top HW's in the 00's were a past prime Lennox early on, Vitali, Wlad, Byrd, and probably Haye.

The best wins on either Klitschko resume are probably still Chris Byrd and David Haye. They've been dominant, can't fault them too much for their era.

No way in hell.

Had you said cruiserweight on the first point than yeah okay, but what has Haye done at HW (other than the charitable deed of KOing into retirement a faded John Ruiz)?

[4Corners]

No way in hell.

Had you said cruiserweight on the first point than yeah okay, but what has Haye done at HW (other than the charitable deed of KOing into retirement a faded John Ruiz)?

I was mainly saying he's probably the best fighter, he and Byrd, on either Klitschko resume.

[Drunken Cat]

Wasn't saying Joshua will be the next Lennox or that they fight alike, becaue they don't. I was just saying the trainer's in England are on record as saying he can go as far as Lennox went. We'll have to see what happens when he turns pro of course.

Wilder has the tools. Sound skills, good hand speed, the height and power, but the guy needs to step up. I'm done seeing him fight no names. Same goes for Mike Perez and Malik Scott, two guys I like.

David Price is legit. He looks like it at least, and Pulev looks pretty good as well so far. I think Denis Boytsov has sound skills and is all around pretty good, we'll have to see what happens with him as well.

Seth Mitchell, I can see him stepping up, he's last fight and his next one are decent step ups for him at this point, but I think he'll get thrown in with a Wlad and destroyed. I can already tell he's getting overhyped to be the best American HW since Moorer, Holyfield, and Bowe, and he's probably not going to be. Another guy to watch is Bryant Jennings. He looked pretty solid a week ago Liakhovich, though he's past his best by far. But, he beat him as handily as Helenius did last year. Jennings vs. Helenius would be a good fight.

I wasn't saying that you were comparing him with Lewis, just saying it does him a disservice to do so (i.e. on the part of the people who may have influence, like British trainers). Just my opinion. It reminds me of when Jose Sulaiman (the rat he is, he can still make a good point on occasion) came out and said that people should stop comparing JCC Jr. to Senior. Just let the guy develop and lets not get ahead of ourselves.

But I get what you're saying, the guy is an exciting as hell prospect (which I think was your point--I wasn't mean to go off too much on a tangent).

Btw, any thoughts on Marius Wach? I didn't realize that the guy is f.ucking 6'7 until watching the Fields fight (though he still comes in at around 240). He still needs more time of course, but he seems to have good handspeed for his size.

[Drunken Cat]

I was mainly saying he's probably the best fighter, he and Byrd, on either Klitschko resume.

I guess so. But I don't think Haye deserves to be discussed as a HW. Hell, I rate Adamek ahead of him. Adamek is a 2 division champion and he at least has a win over Arreola at HW. Not to say Haye wasn't impressive in say KOing Enzo Machienelli or Monte Barret, but that isn't saying too much. He did beat Valuev, but that was a horrible fight and Valuev is a sideshow attraction (no disrespect to Valuev the man, but that's my appraisal of Valuev the boxer). Also his performance against Klitschko should be taken into consideration, as well. And while we're at it, we'd just might as well bring up Solis' KO of Haye in the amateur ranks (I know I know, he was young, but just saying--if you want to say Haye is one of the best fighters the Klits have faced you'd might just as well bring up Solis, who was though not fighting pro a top Cuban for years and years and the Cubans are basically pros of the amateur style).

Again I'm going on tangents, not trying to bust your balls or anything, just analyzing some points. I agree though that the Klitschko's records are unimpressive. It's unfortunate for them. On the other hand, they're losses also have to be considered. I'm not a Klitschko hater, I am certain that Wladimer of today wouldn't have lost to the fighters he lost to in their prime (Sanders is tricky and Brewster was always underrated, but still) and Vitali was winning the fights he lost, but still these things have to be weighed properly and a loss is a loss.

Come to think of it, Rahman may be one of the better fighters on their resumes, though he was always an underachiever and he was already past his prime.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Sice youre so adamant, I'll lay this to rest and humor you. (It will not be considered this way to you, but to me and somebody with sense it will be, so here goes.)

As I've said numerous times, the punch caused Solis to go wobbly and injure himself. I asked my ole lady to look at it and desribe what happened and she even said it knowing nothing nor caring for boxing. She said that guy hit him in the temple and he staggered and fell. Now, if it's so hard to see for you guys I suggest you watch it closer. Right after Vitali lands the shot, look at Solis' feet. They both start doing weird things. Now, It's pretty clear that he immediately grabs his right knee after falling. Now, go back and look at the feet. Tell me how he supposedly injured his right knee while planting when he rolls his left ankle and can's seem to get proper footing. Now, I've injured both of my ankles and tore my right acl in my motocross days. From perfect experience I know for fact that when one of my legs were injured and I could not put weight on it, I was able to stabilize myself with my other leg. It didn't roll out from under me too. So, tell me how he injured his right knee and can't seem to make proper footing with the left?

You will come up with something to ciunter this regaurdless of what I post, but I will go ahead and tell the absolute truth here. It has nothing to do with being a fan. He was on ***** street and absolutely could not gather himself to even plant the left leg properly. In fact, while getting up, he couldn't even put his fist on the canvas correctly and then put weight back onto the left leg properly to evaluate the damages that had been caused to the right knee. That's it and there should be no more discussion.

And for anyone to say that Solis was 'beating Vitali' or 'winning' the round was FACT without the round even being concluded or having been scored goes to show how in touch with reality some preople on here really are.

You asked your “ole lady” -- whom you state knows nothing about boxing, nor cares for it -- her “unbiased” take on proceedings you yourself deemed worthy of approximately fifty viewings to form an opinion on? That makes sense to you? You sound like an individual that isn’t interested in the truth, merely in being right.

I could’ve brought up the fact that Solis himself claims he never felt the punch in question. For obvious reasons, I did not. And I must point out the fact that your personal injury experiences do not automatically make you an expert on someone else’s unique reality. I’ve discussed the knockdown itself far too much for my liking. I only brought it up to address all your previous statements. We’ll never agree on that specific aspect of the bout.

I’ve always been willing to concede that the fighter winning the round (meaning: “getting the better of,” before the KD) is open to interpretation. The fact that you're so obstinate that Vitali was winning the round is what I have a problem with. You want to crudely force that sentiment from the realm of opinion to the domain of “truth.” You even go so far as to assert that Klitschko was “outclassing” Odlanier, an utterly ridiculous statement.

[CubanGuyNYC]

You can just watch the damn video and tell who was winning the round.

That doesn't mean that Solis was necessarily going to keep it up for the whole fight and beat Vitali. But it does mean that he looked good in there for a few minutes...why is it so hard for you to just admit it?

These statements ought to be self-evident. Yet, some people would say you have no "sense." Those same people live by the creed that admitting the smallest virtue in their perceived adversary is equal to conceding inferiority to them.

[Mr. Invincible]

You asked your “ole lady” -- whom you state knows nothing about boxing, nor cares for it -- her “unbiased” take on proceedings you yourself deemed worthy of approximately fifty viewings to form an opinion on? That makes sense to you? You sound like an individual that isn’t interested in the truth, merely in being right.

I could’ve brought up the fact that Solis himself claims he never felt the punch in question. For obvious reasons, I did not. And I must point out the fact that your personal injury experiences do not automatically make you an expert on someone else’s unique reality. I’ve discussed the knockdown itself far too much for my liking. I only brought it up to address all your previous statements. We’ll never agree on that specific aspect of the bout.

I’ve always been willing to concede that the fighter winning the round (meaning: “getting the better of,” before the KD) is open to interpretation. The fact that you're so obstinate that Vitali was winning the round is what I have a problem with. You want to crudely force that sentiment from the realm of opinion to the domain of “truth.” You even go so far as to assert that Klitschko was “outclassing” Odlanier, an utterly ridiculous statement.

He did outclass Solis, hence the whole KHTFO in the first round thing. I can't think of any other Gold medalist getting KO'd in the first round before and you guys stil can't give Vitali credit. It was a clean KO. Live with it.

Oh and isn't that a Cuban flag in your signature? Isn't your name CUBAN Guy?

Get real, your a fan and can't accept what happened.
I'm a Klitschko fan but I'm reasonable.

I know he lost to Byrd and I know he lost to Lewis fair by the rules, but I maintain real with the facts. Which are: Vitali was officially leading those fight 2 to 1 or better on the cards and was outpunching and outlanding both of his opponents. Solis was getting out thrown, outlanded and then got staggered and stopped. You on the other hand like to say Solis was winning a round where he was being outworked, outlanded and got knocked out in legitimately. It's delusion. He wasn't winning nothing. That's not fact, that's a deluded haters opinion.

The only problem I have with the whole thing is that the deceitful Solis camp just can't admit that he got ****ed up and knocked down because he was disoriented and not just hurt. That's also a boxing problem. If you have a loss, suddenly you are damaged goods and have to work your way back up like trash more times than not. I don't like it but it's always been that way.

For your sake I hope he comes back and does okay, but It's painfully clear, he aint beating a Klitschko.

[JAB5239]

It's cool, say what you like but I would whip your a55 in a ring. And the bolded part was only written because you have no common sense. Forget boxing, go to MMA.

Uh oh, here comes the tough guy act again! That's funny since you've told me you have never had an amateur fight...but you've sparred "many times". Putting on those blow up beach balls and pretending you're Vitaly Klitschko in mommy and daddy's back yard with your friend is NOT sparring....its playing make believe.

[CubanGuyNYC]

He did outclass Solis, hence the whole KHTFO in the first round thing. I can't think of any other Gold medalist getting KO'd in the first round before and you guys stil can't give Vitali credit. It was a clean KO. Live with it.

Oh and isn't that a Cuban flag in your signature? Isn't your name CUBAN Guy?

Get real, your a fan and can't accept what happened.
I'm a Klitschko fan but I'm reasonable.

I know he lost to Byrd and I know he lost to Lewis fair by the rules, but I maintain real with the facts. Which are: Vitali was officially leading those fight 2 to 1 or better on the cards and was outpunching and outlanding both of his opponents. Solis was getting out thrown, outlanded and then got staggered and stopped. You on the other hand like to say Solis was winning a round where he was being outworked, outlanded and got knocked out in legitimately. It's delusion. He wasn't winning nothing. That's not fact, that's a deluded haters opinion.

The only problem I have with the whole thing is that the deceitful Solis camp just can't admit that he got ****ed up and knocked down because he was disoriented and not just hurt. That's also a boxing problem. If you have a loss, suddenly you are damaged goods and have to work your way back up like trash more times than not. I don't like it but it's always been that way.

For your sake I hope he comes back and does okay, but It's painfully clear, he aint beating a Klitschko.

I’m sure you expect a black person to vote for *****, a Mexican to love mariachi music and white people to marry within their own kind, too. There’s no doubt in my “delusional” mind that I’m more objective about Solis than you are about the Klitschkos. One need only look back at the posts on this thread to see that. You’ve made it clear that you’re a self-appointed watchdog for Wlad and Vitali. There’s no reasoning with someone like you, so there’s no point in debate. As I said before, you’re not interested in the truth, only in being right.