Real talk......

[4Corners]

I think if Kirkland could he would have. Kirkland is still a beast. Molina again is just very under appreciated.

For example I think it was yesterday in a thread. Someone said that Lara would beat Molina in a rematch. Nothing against you. But, you did the same thing saying that Kirkland would or could KO him in a rematch. Thing is Molina who has fought good fighters has gave everyone hell. No one has been able to have an easy time with him. And, there is always some excuse on why he looks good.

A rematch would be a good thing. But, I hope that Canelo and Golden Boy are fooled and would make that fight. Give Molina, the Lara rematch. Let him get by that one. And, then we can have Kirkland-Molina II for the WBC.

Honestly, I don't know 2 other JMW's who have fought tougher set of opponents at 154 right now than Kirkland and Molina.

Agree. This HECTOR MORENO clown is the one I'm mainly talking about, he's in the other thread. I still think Kirkland has a shot against Canelo, Bundrage, and others at 154. Molina is a tough fight, said it from day one when the fight was made. I think the way he was fighting tonight was excessive as hell with the holding, holding his arm, punching while doing both, letting go and punch on the break, than holding again, but the ref never warned him so, oh well.

I still think Kirkland could beat him convincingly, he has the potential to. I think Kirkland showed in the 10th that he could have and should have just pushed Molina off of him when he tried that holding and hitting s**t, but he just didn't, and didn't throw enough.

Boxing fans, not you or me or others on here, are always prisoner of the moment. How can Kirkland beat good 154 lb guys like Angulo and Julio, and be garbage now???

[Roman Moreno]

Molina doesn't get by Cotto let alone Floyd or Sergio IMO

Maybe...I would say this though Molina would be the best fighter that Cotto would have faced at 154 though. Not counting Floyd since they haven't fought yet.

But, style wise Molina style might be beneficial for Cotto. I think Kirkland style is all wrong for Cotto though. I think Kirkland still beats Cotto.

Because, at 154 Cotto hasn't done ****. How is he #1 has to be by default. Because, he has done crap. I don't know what good fighter he can beat in that weight.

But, I might favor him against Molina. I would favor Kirkland against Cotto, and crazy enough might favor Molina again in the rematch against Kirkland. Just the styles play a huge part.

[Evil Abed]

No one else fights like Molina.

Its going to impossible to repilicate this performance.

Kirkland and Wolfe had a horrid game plan. Starts slow and finish fast.

Kirklnad should have take one round to gain his distance and feel out the fight and go it beast mode aka rough sparring mode like we seen a in almost all his fights.

Wolfe done f$%ked up.

That said. Molina is a Andre Ward type spoiler.

[LeG00N]

Kirkland will get KO'd in his next 2 fights....

[4Corners]

No one else fights like Molina.

Its going to impossible to repilicate this performance.

Kirkland and Wolfe had a horrid game plan. Starts slow and finish fast.

Kirklnad should have take one round to gain his distance and feel out the fight and go it beast mode aka rough sparring mode like we seen a in almost all his fights.

Wolfe done f$%ked up.

That said. Molina is a Andre Ward type spoiler.

That was far worse than Andre Ward in my opinion. He made Ward, Alexander, and Hopkins look like they never do any excessive holding.

For 7 of those 10 rounds against Kirkland, here's how it went basically. Molina punches, holds, pushes Kirkland back toward the ropes, punches, holds his arm, punches, lets go and pushes Kirkland back and than punches, and holds again. I don't see Andre Ward hold and hit that bad at all. Holding is alright, but when it's THAT excessive, it's a problem. When Kirkland had Molina hurt in the 10th, there was a point where Kirkland was all over him, and Molina literally held and layed on him while going toward the ropes, and than attempted to hold the ropes for a good 5 seconds at least.

[Roman Moreno]

Agree. This HECTOR MORENO clown is the one I'm mainly talking about, he's in the other thread. I still think Kirkland has a shot against Canelo, Bundrage, and others at 154. Molina is a tough fight, said it from day one when the fight was made. I think the way he was fighting tonight was excessive as hell with the holding, holding his arm, punching while doing both, letting go and punch on the break, than holding again, but the ref never warned him so, oh well.

I still think Kirkland could beat him convincingly, he has the potential to. I think Kirkland showed in the 10th that he could have and should have just pushed Molina off of him when he tried that holding and hitting s**t, but he just didn't, and didn't throw enough.

Boxing fans, not you or me or others on here, are always prisoner of the moment. How can Kirkland beat good 154 lb guys like Angulo and Julio, and be garbage now???

Worse yet, how can you say that you have higher hopes for Angulo than Kirkland? Not only Kirkland stopped his ass brutally. But, Angulo is trying to find a way to cross the border right now. he is no factor.

Molina is tough, Kirkland fought a tough dude. You not going to win them all. Or look good in every fight. Unless you're truly elite. Neither Kirkland or Molina are truly elite. But, they're good fighters.

[4Corners]

Kirkland will get KO'd in his next 2 fights....

And Canelo will fight legit top SWW in hs next two fights.......

[CubanGuyNYC]

I think if Kirkland could he would have. Kirkland is still a beast. Molina again is just very under appreciated.

For example I think it was yesterday in a thread. Someone said that Lara would beat Molina in a rematch. Nothing against you. But, you did the same thing saying that Kirkland would or could KO him in a rematch. Thing is Molina who has fought good fighters has gave everyone hell. No one has been able to have an easy time with him. And, there is always some excuse on why he looks good.

A rematch would be a good thing. But, I hope that Canelo and Golden Boy are fooled and would make that fight. Give Molina, the Lara rematch. Let him get by that one. And, then we can have Kirkland-Molina II for the WBC.

Honestly, I don't know 2 other JMW's who have fought tougher set of opponents at 154 right now than Kirkland and Molina.

Well, I'm one of those saying that Lara would beat Molina in a rematch. I also said that Carlos is capable of beating anyone at 154, with the possible exception of Cotto. Both opinions still stand.

[Roman Moreno]

That was far worse than Andre Ward in my opinion. He made Ward, Alexander, and Hopkins look like they never do any excessive holding.

For 7 of those 10 rounds against Kirkland, here's how it went basically. Molina punches, holds, pushes Kirkland back toward the ropes, punches, holds his arm, punches, lets go and pushes Kirkland back and than punches, and holds again. I don't see Andre Ward hold and hit that bad at all. Holding is alright, but when it's THAT excessive, it's a problem. When Kirkland had Molina hurt in the 10th, there was a point where Kirkland was all over him, and Molina literally held and layed on him while going toward the ropes, and than attempted to hold the ropes for a good 5 seconds at least.

i disagree,

Andre Ward has held, the whole fight. in fights that he was borderline dirty too. Hopkins has held, which was it the Carl Daniels fight? Or the Keith Holmes fight? Which was far worse than this.

It was bad. But, not as bad as some are making it out to be. But, I think people are exaggerating and some are disgusted because of the anticipation they had for this fight. Especially with Kirkland being an offensive machine not being offensive.

I wouldn't say Molina has Ward skill but I think he is a Ward type spoiler. I agree with Phantom description.

[Tmann400]

Worse yet, how can you say that you have higher hopes for Angulo than Kirkland? Not only Kirkland stopped his ass brutally. But, Angulo is trying to find a way to cross the border right now. he is no factor.

Molina is tough, Kirkland fought a tough dude. You not going to win them all. Or look good in every fight. Unless you're truly elite. Neither Kirkland or Molina are truly elite. But, they're good fighters.

This. Like 4Corners said, people are affected in the heat of the moment. Kirkland has PROVED he is a legit atleast top 5 Jr. middle, with the dominant win over Angulo. Molina is an underrated boxer, and I was rooting for him against Cintron, but he didn't fight that way tonight. He was excessively clinching so much, it was the number one thing affecting the fight. People DON't understand how hard it is to push a guy off of you when he's got your arms wrapped up and is laying against you on the ropes, you don't have the room to break free. I had Kirkland winning going into this fight BASED ON what i'd seen of Molina in the past. I knew he'd spoil, but this much, or this way. If there was a more competent ref in there who didn't allow the excessive holding, I don't see how someone would think this fight WOULDN'T look differently. When a boxer is THAT negative and holding that much, it's becoming a major factor in how the outcome of the fight will be,THAT'S when points need to be docked and a possible DQ should be in order IMO Since everyone was so caught up in the moment, did anyone notice how Kirkland actually showed some D improvements? He didn't look AS vulnerable tonight.