Is Ortiz the Next Undisputed Champ At 147?

[New England]

Natural size is natural size though. Ortiz is a big welterweight. Rios is a big lightweight. Rios can be as fat as he wants walking around but that doesn't matter in the ring IMO

See Hatton for an example of that.

ortiz just grew into WW. he's got a lot of muscle but in terms of his bones he's not that much bigger than rios.
yes, i do agree that he's a big and strong WW, but the weight timeline for his career is simmilar to rios, who still fights at 135 (because of the money that other top rank fighters bring to the division [marquez the champ and gamboa,])

rios drains himself to get to 135. ortiz drained himself to get to 140, but not to the level rios goes to get to 135.

it's not because he's getting fat when he's not training(hatton got fat from living above a pub as well,) it's because his body is unable to be that size year round. he's a big dude.

ortiz is not on another planet in terms of the size. a bigger guy by perhaps a weight class.

i'm sure you're aware that there was no intermediary between ww and MW, lw and WW, lw and FW, etc in bygone decades

the size advantage ortiz has over rios is not insurmountable and wouldnt be the soul reason he wins the fight. the fact that rios doesnt have the proper skills to adjust to the bigger guys and higher weights will be his downfall, not the fact that they are simply bigger

[Roman Moreno]

In the end, Ortiz will have the better career. Lopez is done. His career will have Ponce De Leon, Luevano, and R. Marquez on his win list. Maybe he gets another few good wins, who knows. Ortiz is still only 25 and has a lot left to do good things. I know Lopez is only 28, but after being KO'd twice by Salido, I don't know what he can do going forward.

You don't know what Juanma can do going forward cuz' he lost to Salid? Or because of the manner he lost?

Because, Salido is not a bad fighter if that's the case. And, if it's because of the manner, Ortiz has been there.

The one thing about Juanma is that he never quit physically(Maidana) or mentally(Floyd) ever. Not even against Salido.

That kind of intangible will always help Juanma go forward. That kind of line of thinking would never help Ortiz go forward. It is one thing to quit physically. It is another thing to quit physically and mentally.

Cover those tracks baby. :wank:

You know it.

Ortiz?

[ShoulderRoll]

Senchenko ruling this division is just as likely as Ortiz ruling it.

Senchenko is a paper champion who didn't win his title in the ring, it was handed to him when Shane Mosley was stripped.

Victor Ortiz beat Andre Berto.

You don't see a tad bit of difference between those two?

[daggum]

Senchenko is a paper champion who didn't win his title in the ring, it was handed to him when Shane Mosley was stripped.

Victor Ortiz beat Andre Berto.

You don't see a tad bit of difference between those two?

senchenko is undefeated. ortiz has 3 losses and a draw. how can you compare them?

[ShoulderRoll]

senchenko is undefeated. ortiz has 3 losses and a draw. how can you compare them?

You got a point. After all Joe Calzaghe was undefeated wasn't he?

[Roman Moreno]

Senchenko is a paper champion who didn't win his title in the ring, it was handed to him when Shane Mosley was stripped.

Victor Ortiz beat Andre Berto.

You don't see a tad bit of difference between those two?

Meh, not really because I know who Berto beat to get that title.

No bueno sir.

But, the point was that neither is likely to happen.

[P4P_No1]

I think Ortiz has all the tools to be a real beast at this division except for one fatal fall...the guy is mentally so weak its untrue. That will be his biggest downfall. If he had that Maidana/Rios type attitude, he could really do some damage but I think unified champ is a bit of a stretch.

But there's no doubt once Pac & May ride off into the sunset, the 147 division is wide open.

My money's on Bradley running it.

[Roman Moreno]

I think Ortiz has all the tools to be a real beast at this division except for one fatal fall...the guy is mentally so weak its untrue. That will be his biggest downfall. If he had that Maidana/Rios type attitude, he could really do some damage but I think unified champ is a bit of a stretch.

But there's no doubt once Pac & May ride off into the sunset, the 147 division is wide open.

My money's on Bradley running it.

Bradley is a damn good. He has just enough skills and mentally strong enough to really be the man of the division after Floyd and Pac.

[daggum]

You got a point. After all Joe Calzaghe was undefeated wasn't he?

yes exactly. analyzing boxing is so easy.

[_original_]

I agree, but I'm also a bias Ortiz fan lol

Seriously though, you take Floyd out of the equation, jail and 154 division, Ortiz could make big moves there. I'd favor him over Berto again, Khan, Brook, and Alexander. Pacquiao if of course with Top Rank as well as Bradley so I don't see those fights happening. He might get lured into matches above 147 with Kirkland and Canelo though. But I would like to see him fight Berto and then Alexander this year, two great wins.