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POLL: Could Prime David Tua beat EVERYONE that the KBros FOUGHT.
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Last edited by joe strong; 03-22-2012, 06:45 PM.
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Originally posted by 4CornersKid View PostHe did beat Jimmy Ellis, Joe Bugner, Ken Norton, and Jimmy Young though. Those are better than any wins that someone like Samuel Peter or Chris Arreola have.
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Originally posted by nomadman View PostI'm not disputing that. I'm disputing putting him in with names like Ali, Frazier, Holmes, even Norton.
Top Tier Contenders in the 7's were guys like Oscar Bonavena, Bob Foster, Ken Norton, Earnie Shavers, Ron Lyle, Joe Bugner, Jimmy Young, Jimmy Ellis, and others. I just can't see Samuel Peter, Chris Arreola, or Calvin Brock being Top Tier contenders in that era. The Early 80's when Larry was the HW champ, yes. They'd be Top contenders in that era, or at least very good ones. The Late 80's and mid 80's, they'd be contenders. But, I don't even see them beating Michael Spinks, Tony Tucker, Tony Tubbs, Frank Bruno, or Tyrell Biggs. And in the 90's, they'd be journeymen just like they would be in the 70's.
I'm not taking ANYTHING anyway from the Klitschko's. I have said time and time again, H2H, they'd be in the Top 10 no doubt. I think they'd beat everyone prior to the 60's with ease.
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Originally posted by stuseward View PostThey aren't better, they are just names you know from an era when boxing and the heavyweights in particular were household names.
Get the f**k outta here.
If you put Ken Norton, Earnie Shavers, and Ron Lyle in todays era, they'd easily be the toughest fights for the Klitschko's. I'd still favor the Klitschko's over them no doubt, but they'd easily beat everyone else the Klitschko's have fought.
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Originally posted by 4CornersKid View PostWait.....so Shavers beating Norton, Ellis, Young, and Bugner, isn't better than Peter beating Jeremy Williams, Taurus Sykes, or Jameel McCline??? Or those wins for Shavers aren't better than Arreola beating Damian Wills, Chazz Witherspoon, Travis Walker, Jameel McCline, or Brian Minto???
Get the f**k outta here.
If you put Ken Norton, Earnie Shavers, and Ron Lyle in todays era, they'd easily be the toughest fights for the Klitschko's. I'd still favor the Klitschko's over them no doubt, but they'd easily beat everyone else the Klitschko's have fought.
Watch Peter vs Toney in their second fight. He's really not as bad as people like to make out.
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Originally posted by 4CornersKid View PostWait.....so Shavers beating Norton, Ellis, Young, and Bugner, isn't better than Peter beating Jeremy Williams, Taurus Sykes, or Jameel McCline??? Or those wins for Shavers aren't better than Arreola beating Damian Wills, Chazz Witherspoon, Travis Walker, Jameel McCline, or Brian Minto???
Get the f**k outta here.
If you put Ken Norton, Earnie Shavers, and Ron Lyle in todays era, they'd easily be the toughest fights for the Klitschko's. I'd still favor the Klitschko's over them no doubt, but they'd easily beat everyone else the Klitschko's have fought.
Ernie had a massive chin, and he only need to land one punch on wlad to comatose him.
The punches Ali and Holmes took from Shavers will seriously have ended wladimir's life
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Originally posted by nomadman View PostPeter also beat Toney twice, Maskaev and McCline (who was a solid contender with a dangerous punch, as Peter found out...) And like I said above he gave Wlad one of his toughest fights ever, more than can be said of Arreola who's a glorified clubfighter if ever I've seen one.
Watch Peter vs Toney in their second fight. He's really not as bad as people like to make out.
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