Mayweather vs Martinez?

[Light_Speed]

And just more more vulnerable to get hit by straight left hands. Martinez won't hesitate to constantly throw several of them. As i said, Manny would give Floyd problems as well, but Floyd can hurt Manny enough to discourage him. With Sergio, it's completely different. Hopkins and JMM seems to be more consistent at avoiding the straight left hand, they always rotates away from it whenever they can. Floyd completely stand at an angle when he can easily be hit by it if his opponent has the footwork to cuts him off first.

How many big left hands did he land in the first 8 rds against Macklin and Barker? He can only generate power with his left when he can time his opponent or when his opponent is stationary. Floyd is the hardest fighter to time and he won't be completely stationary even if he stands his ground at mid range so Martinez will only be able to land arm punches. Did you watch the ortiz fight? Floyd did a better job rotating away from Ortiz's left hand than JMM did against Pac. When it comes to avoiding punches Floyd is leagues above JMM and a notch above Hopkins.

@ the thought of Floyd walking down a 160lbs fighter that isn't a mental midget, nor gun-shy when it comes to throwing his most effective punch.

Floyd was walking Oscar down at times and Oscar was definitely above 160 lbs on fight night.

[VapeRippa]

It's not as worthy as the idea of Martinez countering Mayweather.

He's not even a good counter puncher.

Lol if you cant see that he's comfortable with counters I dont know if you have actually sit down and watch him fight, the man has a good sense of timing and can adjust during the fight to intercept his opponents offense with his straight left hand.
If Mosley can tag Floyd with a basic low feint how can you tell me wth such confidence that a bigger and pretty fast southpaw cant tag Floyd with his best counter, how would Floyd react to a perfect timed straight left counter from Sergio?

[Carpe Diem]

On what basis is Marquez better at avoiding straight left hands compared to Mayweather?

On the fact that he's constantly shifting away from it after he land his own shots. Whereas Floyd stays at a positioning stance to get his straight right hand off, and then stand there at that same angle where he can be hit by the straight left hand because he want that angle to constantly land his own straight right hand. Marquez doesn't take that chance, he mostly gets caught by it when he exchanges, but he's always rotating away from the straight left hand. Hopkins likes to throw his straight right hand at them, and then pivot out away from the straight left hand or he would instantly clinch.

[Carpe Diem]

How many big left hands did he land in the first 8 rds against Macklin and Barker? He can only generate power with his left when he can time his opponent or when his opponent is stationary. Floyd is the hardest fighter to time and he won't be completely stationary even if he stands his ground at mid range so Martinez will only be able to land arm punches. Did you watch the ortiz fight? Floyd did a better job rotating away from Ortiz's left hand than JMM did against Pac. When it comes to avoiding punches Floyd is leagues above JMM and a notch above Hopkins.


Floyd was walking Oscar down at times and Oscar was definitely above 160 lbs on fight night.

If you say so. Ortiz isn't mentally strong, and he's not a natural southpaw[that mofo was so shy to throw the straight left hand, even the other mental midget(Judah) threw more straight left hands at Floyd]. Oscar didn't had Martinez's footwork. I never said that Floyd wasn't better than Marquez at avoiding punches, I'm just saying that he's not consistent at avoid one particular type of punch, and Marquez is better than him at neutralizing/avoiding it.

[IronDanHamza]

Lol if you cant see that he's comfortable with counters I dont know if you have actually sit down and watch him fight, the man has a good sense of timing and can adjust during the fight to intercept his opponents offense with his straight left hand.
If Mosley can tag Floyd with a basic low feint how can you tell me wth such confidence that a bigger and pretty fast southpaw cant tag Floyd with his best counter, how would Floyd react to a perfect timed straight left counter from Sergio?

Oh my word, Mosley landed a few clean shots imagine what so and so can do?! It's no more than a handful of clean punches.

Martinez isn't even a counter puncher hardly he counters at times but not much his best asset is using his speed and getting off first well and beating his opponent to the punch. Something I doubt he would be able to do to Mayweather and no way he is beating him by countering him.

[IronDanHamza]

On the fact that he's constantly shifting away from it after he land his own shots. Whereas Floyd stays at a positioning stance to get his straight right hand off, and then stand there at that same angle where he can be hit by the straight left hand because he want that angle to constantly land his own straight right hand. Marquez doesn't take that chance, he mostly gets caught by it when he exchanges, but he's always rotating away from the straight left hand. Hopkins likes to throw his straight right hand at them, and then pivot out of the way of the straight left hand or instantly clinch.

Marquez has been tagged a lot by straight left hands in his career.

The way you talk these days when I watch a Mayweather fight I expect a flat footed plodding fighter who's susceptible to consistent clean punches.

[Carpe Diem]

Marquez has been tagged a lot by straight left hands in his career.

The way you talk these days when I watch a Mayweather fight I expect a flat footed plodding fighter who's susceptible to consistent clean punches.

So has Floyd. Mostly every other orthodox boxers have utilizes the same shifting/rotating technique that Marquez has used when it comes to fighting southpaws. It's one of the most well-known techniques that most pro orthodox boxers were taught since day one.


He's not a flat footed plodding fighter, he just has limited movement. He relies more on his upper body defense, and he's damn great at it. Limited movement is good enough when you're fighting opponents that have slower footwork movement. Would that be the case when you're fighting against certain type of opponents that can not only match/surpass your limited footwork movement, but have the mental toughness to constantly look to get off their most effective punch as well?

[IronDanHamza]

So has Floyd. Mostly every other orthodox boxers have utilizes the same shifting/rotating technique that Marquez has used when it comes to fighting southpaws. It's one of the most well-known techniques that most pro orthodox boxers were taught since day one.

The amount of clean straight left hands Mayweather has taken in his career is probably in single figures.

Marquez has taken plenty.

He's not a flat footed plodding fighter, he just has limited movement. He relies more on his upper body defense, and he's damn great at it. Limited movement is good enough when you're fighting opponents that have slower footwork movement. Would that be the case when you're fighting against certain type of opponents that can not only match/surpass your limited footwork movement, but have the mental toughness to constantly look to get off their most effective punch as well?

The idea and myth of Mayweather having "limited movement" that has arisen in recent years is possibly the most humorous yet bewildering in many years.

Reminds of the myth that Pacquiao had improved between 08-now drastically that was thankfully debunked last year.

[Carpe Diem]

It's hard to believe that a guy most critics labeled as a runner barely move that much. The way he positioned his upper body make it look like he's always moving, but he's nowhere near a runner as Khan.

[Light_Speed]

If you say so. Ortiz isn't mentally strong, and he's not a natural southpaw[that mofo was so shy to throw the straight left hand, even the other mental midget(Judah) threw more straight left hands at Floyd]. Oscar didn't had Martinez's footwork. I never said that Floyd wasn't better than Marquez at avoiding punches, I'm just saying that he's not consistent at avoid one particular type of punch, and Marquez is better than him at neutralizing/avoiding it.

If JMM is better than Floyd at neutralizing the straight left hand then how come he got dropped 3 times by that punch? Actually the most effective punch a southpaw can land against Floyd is the right hook, he's vulnerable to that shot because of his stance and he seems to have a blind spot in that area. Corley hurt him with the right hook, Zab unofficially knocked him down with it and even Ortiz had some limited success with it. The right hook is what Floyd needs to worry about against southpaws.