Comments Thread For: Merchant: Martinez is Lucky To Get 10% With Mayweather

[Roman Moreno]

If Sergio goes to 168 and beats Ward, and is the older, stronger, and faster fighter while throwing more punches than the 168 pound limit after just making 154 from 147 (in 9 months), yes, I would find that kind of strange.

But if Sergio gradually goes up to 168, like he's doing now (fighting a few fights at 160) over a year or so, then get's to 168 and slows down a bit and isn't KO'ing guys like Ward with 1 punch, then no, I have no problems with that. Even if he KO's Ward, depending on how he does it, I would have no problem with that. If you need me to explain what "how" means, I'll be more than happy to do so.

Sure please do go ahead

[BoxingGenius27]

Sure please do go ahead

If he is defeating Ward by boxing and using ring smarts and Ward runs into something big late in the fight from the added up accumulation of punches throughout the 11th round fight, that's one thing.

But if he's this come forward type predator and has Ward running all over the ring after what I said in the 2nd paragraph previously, yes, that's suspect.

[Roman Moreno]

If he is defeating Ward by boxing and using ring smarts and Ward runs into something big late in the fight from the added up accumulation of punches throughout the 11th round fight, that's one thing.

But if he's this come forward type predator and has Ward running all over the ring after what I said in the 2nd paragraph previously, yes, that's suspect.

Meh, anyways so how do we agree?

And, what does any of this have to do with my original that JCC/Ward and Bute are not the same size?

[boxingfan76]

that coward gayweather wont even fight an exposed loser midget he aint gonna fight somebody that can and most likley put him to sleep hed simply get knocked tha **** out , expecting mayweather to fight atop guy is simply very wishful thinking that guy is a sprotected as pacman is or worse. mMartinez is beatable but not by mayweather,chavez or pacroids, martinez is a legit 154lber theres no excuse for mayweather or chavez to be ducking him other thatn they dont want to go out on their backs...

[Thickback]

Man I hate Merchant so much. Any fighter that doesn't just throw a million punches, he hates. His negative inout during fights are downers. Even Lampley corrects his BS now.

Anyway, Martinez is a 154er, not a 168 lb fighter so the Bute and Ward fights aren't happening. Dude was 158 for dammits sake....

As far as the money split with Mayweather, i really dont care, I just want to see the damn fight at 154.

Also, I think Martinez should be looking for a 154 lb title fight so he can gain leverage in a division with dudes that actually want to fight. The 160 division is crap. The belts are being held hostage and the "recognized champ" can't get any real fights.

Did I mention I hate Larry Merchant? Why was he so quick to cut Martinez and Macklin off while they were answering his dumb a$$ questions?

[TheMexHurricane]

Love Martinez but he beat Pavlik because Pavlik got cut and he beat Macklin because Macklin got tired as usual. I look upon the "experts" who rate Martinez higher than JM Marquez with great su****ion. Especially Kellerman who says Pac is the ATG and then when JMM beats him again he rates JMM as 5th best today. If you can't acknowledge this blatant bias vs Mexicans then you're probably a Mexiphobe yourself.

[TheMexHurricane]

Love Martinez but he beat Pavlik because Pavlik got cut and he beat Macklin because Macklin got tired as usual. I look upon the "experts" who rate Martinez higher than JM Marquez with great su****ion. Especially Kellerman who says Pac is the ATG and then when JMM beats him again he rates JMM as 5th best today. If you can't acknowledge this blatant bias vs Mexicans then you're probably a Mexiphobe yourself.

You're either with us or against us. And remember, if you mess with one bean you're messing with the whole burrito.

[RSBonos]

I didn't like Merchant's call last night but these comments are fair and balanced.

I'm a fan of Martinez, but anytime you are begging and insulting welterweights to move up when you are the MW champ, it's a bad look.

[mistermartin]

[QUOTE=Brother Jay;11904136]Apparently you are fcuking ******ed. How is a man being avoided when he wins an upset an then loses to tune-up for 12 rounds? When did Paul Williams have the opportunity to be ducked? Between beating Margarito and then being embarrassed by Quintana?

I can see now that you are one of those clowns who thinks that the ruder he becomes the more weight his words will carry.

You've shown yourself as an idiot and we are just on the first paragraph.



My point was Pavlik was coming off a loss that had him contemplating retiring. Pavlik was no longer an unbeaten commodity and the reports of his alcoholism and lack of training made many write him off before Martinez ever stepped foot in the ring with him. THAT was the point, idiot.



Ahhh ... now we are talking.

Do you agree that Pacquiao should be at the top after being exposed like he has been? I don't either. So why jump on the idiot bandwagon and perpetuate that nonsense? If you have the good sense to know its wrong and a bunch of BULLSHlT, why endorse it?



Martinez has 2 noteworthy wins out of 53 fights. The better question is where in the fcuk did you get the idea that he was ruling ANYTHING because of two wins coming over men who had been recently exposed????????

Is it because someone told you to think that? Or is it because you honestly came up with the idea that one win could put a boxer at the P4P#3 spot? Are you serious? Or are you just defending what you were ******ed enough to be swayed into believing?



At the time of the stoppage, Macklin was very much still in the fight. You don't get to the 11th round and be a point or two away from the lead if you were dominated, idiot. Macklin gassed out after the 8th. Had he been able to keep up what he had been doing stamina-wise, Martinez was on his way to an upset. It wasn't until Macklin gassed that Martinez supposedly "adjusted" and began looking good. That says that Martinez can't look good unless an opponent is exhausted or leaves himself completely open as in the case of PWILL.

U don't even realize that in the barker fight ANNNNDDDD the ****ing macklin fight...sergio is breaking guys down ONE PUNCH AT A TIME....they aren't staying around to get hit w/ combos....he knockin ninjas out even after pot shotting for 6-7-8 rds....

You're an idiot. He wasn't breaking anyone down last night and everyone watching saw it. He ESCAPED with that win because of Macklin's lack of stamina. The world saw last night that a C fighter like Macklin could drag the 160lbs champion and #3P4P fighter into deep waters and make him look like lukewarm dog SHlT. There were already questions after the Barker fight. Those questions are still there and now there are a lot more.



I can agree with this only because your analogy puts into context that last night's win was predicated on stamina, not skill or technique by the so-called #3P4P champion. Had Macklin not gassed, he was in position to upset Sergio as he was still in contention before the knockdowns which ONLY came after Macklin was exhausted, sloppy and trying to make it to the final bell.



We will ALWAYS agree that Merchant is a fcuking d!ckhead. That much will always be true.

However, he was right last night in a rare moment of clarity. Macklin was never in control, but he did his job which was to make sure that Martinez was never really in control either. That is what kept him in the fight.

Last night's fight reminded me a lot of the Tszyu/Hatton match. Except Hatton was able to sustain his offense until the fight was over. Macklin was not. If you remember, Tszyu caught Hatton late and floored him, but the ref waved it off as a slip. Damage was done, but Hatton regrouped and kept on fighting, but Tszyu was dejected because he felt that he desperately needed that knockdown to stay in the fight.

Macklin was on the same path as Hatton was. Except Macklin was spent by the beginning of the 9th.

I don't believe that you saw the fight. What you write certainly isn't in line with what actually happened.

Martinez definitely won, but he was exposed by a fighter who should NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DRAG HIS ASSS INTO THE DEEP WATERS HE FOUND HIMSELF IN TOWARDS THE END.

A better fighter will see what Macklin did, show up in great shape and do everything Macklin did but better.

You're defending a SHlTTY performance when no one is claiming that Sergio lost. Macklin wasn't robbed in ANY way. I just think that Sergio doesn't deserve the status he's been GIVEN, and that's evidenced by having only 2 noteworthy wins in 53 fights, and having two unimpressive and hard-fought performances against C- level fighters.

Now either you refute this with facts, or you just continue to feel powerless and curse a lot. The choice is yours, Spanky.

Oh I like the namecalling for affect & fun so that prolly won't stop suzie...First off...Ur the point i bringing up paul as exposed was not to cronicle the time between margarito & Quintana. altho quitana did expose weaknesses & flaws in PW paul called out mayweather directly following the magarito vickie. shane mosely as well. He was not interested in a Quintana fight. The fact that he has had to fight at 47 all the way to 60 for any kind of marque match-up proves that he was still avoided heavily despite being exposed by CQ. The only people willing to get in the ring were washed up fighters & guys w/ nothing to lose. Dergio took on the challenge no one esle would. Shane publically said no. Pac as well. Floyd ignored.

It's amazing to me how u dumbasses use hindsight as an ally in ur arguments. It's easy now to call guys washed up or say he was x-y-or z. If paul was so overrated why wouldn't anybody else bite the bullet b4 martinez. Cintron did but Martinez beat his azz too. He hit kermit so hard he thought he got headbutt. How do u beat a man 3 ways (literally) in one fight & get a draw. Fact is SM was being overlooke & shafted in the draw & the L he took.

To say KP was beaten & a drunk & out of shape is a gross overstatement...at the time there were no reports of pavlik's demise. He had fought BH at a catchweight & went back down 10lbs to his div. Martinez took that fight on weeks notice. It's amazing how a guy can win 50+ fights & u say he has no notable wins...

I asked u in my other statement who r ur p4p list leaders...no answer. Also...if sergio is winning w/ stamina & not ring skill who would be an impressive opponent?? As I see it...He's in a no man's land of opponents. As I said b4 u goofball...check the last 8 opps & look at all their shapes heights skill-sets & sizes & tell me who he's cherry picked. They all range from long to tall...to think...to strong...avg size etc. But ur saying it's stamina...(laughing) that makes zero sense. If stamina was the key factor wouldn't Pauli malinaggi be champ still?? hahaha...ok this is too easy. Fact is...Stamina is a paart of his skillset. but his repetoir of punches is deep. He has is a very good judge of distance & timing. His pwr goes w/out saying. Now If u say a guy like kirkland has no skill & relies on conditioning...I'd agree hands down.

Just bc Macklin wasn't getting beaten up from the opening bell doesn't mean he was wasn't beng dominated. It means his particular strategy was to slow the fight down & to make it (look) competative. From rd one he was being hit w/ str lefts & right hooks one shot at a time. & if the shots didn't have an effect on macklin then how could he get so beaten up in 2 rds?? SM was touchin that body w/ his str left & that is wut slowed Maklin down...Even MGirt said it in the corner "he's gonna come over & under w/ that left"

I really don't get wut u girls look for when u watch these fights....I mean are u Irish?? Macklin was landing nothing in the fight (as compubox noted) Majority of his shots got parryed off the gloves & blocked. So if a rd goes to the fuy who caused the most damage how was macklin tied???? no ****ing Way! He wasn;t throwing much & definitely wasn't landing. But was getting hit w/ single shots often. Look at his face from the 3rd on....I mean Martinez had a photo shoot after the fight Macklin was busted up...

Wutever. I don't even see the sense in debating u guys. I don't care if serge is 3 4 or wutever in the rankings. I do know he is a dangerous dangerous fighter... & no way u can do wut u do at 37 w/ that still w/ out skill. no ****ing way. This really is a pointless debate...especially when u just tried to compare this fight to Tszu vs Hatton....no parallells wutsoever. KT coming of hiatus...RH fighting w/ total abandon...TOTAL ABANDON & intensity.

If Anybody looked just ok it's Macklin. Since when do guys get credit for losing & gettting ktfo 1 rd from wen his opponent predicted. Had Macklin fought his usual style it would've been over in 5 & we wouldn't be having this convo.

It's just like guys saying Zab gave floyd trouble....no he didn't. He competed. & floyd slowly began to break him down had he not fouled him & caused a meelee he would've been stopped.

Get ur iq up dogg....I shouldn't have to spell all this out. It's like tryna train Sarah Palin on government....

[DE100]

Fuck Merchant.