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Remember we would have great long debates on the history of boxing and how fighter's have never moved up so many weight classes (like Manny did in that 9 month span) and have been the stronger and faster fighter?
Although you acted like you didn't realize what I was talking about back then, now you realize how going up that many weight classes and becoming the stronger/faster fighter, is just not physically possible without some shady business going on.
Sergio jumping from 154 to 168 in 9 months, then smashing Ward/Bute while being the stronger/faster fighter is the equivolent to what Pac did in 08.
Glad you see how shady that looks.
Really, now that I think about it, the comparison isn't even close as manny's weight gain was far greater than what Sergio's would be if he fought at 168. At least Sergio has been fighting at 154 for some time; Manny's weight gain kind of came out of nowhere.Last edited by BoxingGenius27; 03-18-2012, 02:00 PM.Comment
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Not every fighter is the same. Everyone has a limit. It could be 2 divisions, it could be 5 divisions, it could be a span of 11 division in the new era like Freddie Steele did from 106 to MW. My comment is that Martinez 160 is his limit. Pac limit is 147. Not sure WTF you're even talking about. And, how is relevant to what I'm saying.Comment
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Freedie Steele went from 105(straweight) to 140(JWW) in a little bit less than 3 years and ended up at MW. Take that FWIW. Jimmy McLarnin moved up the same amount of divisions in just about the same amount of time.
Whether you want to turn this into some kind of ****** PED debate fine. My point was there never that I would find it su****ious if Martinez moved up. He can move up if he wants. I am in the belief that 160 is his limit. Just like 147 is Pac limit.
Something that its obviously either went over your head or you read what I was saying totally wrong. No go make your ******ed steroid point.Comment
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Apparently you are fcuking ******ed. How is a man being avoided when he wins an upset an then loses to tune-up for 12 rounds? When did Paul Williams have the opportunity to be ducked? Between beating Margarito and then being embarrassed by Quintana?
I can see now that you are one of those clowns who thinks that the ruder he becomes the more weight his words will carry.
You've shown yourself as an idiot and we are just on the first paragraph.
My point was Pavlik was coming off a loss that had him contemplating retiring. Pavlik was no longer an unbeaten commodity and the reports of his alcoholism and lack of training made many write him off before Martinez ever stepped foot in the ring with him. THAT was the point, idiot.
Ahhh ... now we are talking.
Do you agree that Pacquiao should be at the top after being exposed like he has been? I don't either. So why jump on the idiot bandwagon and perpetuate that nonsense? If you have the good sense to know its wrong and a bunch of BULLSHlT, why endorse it?
Martinez has 2 noteworthy wins out of 53 fights. The better question is where in the fcuk did you get the idea that he was ruling ANYTHING because of two wins coming over men who had been recently exposed????????
Is it because someone told you to think that? Or is it because you honestly came up with the idea that one win could put a boxer at the P4P#3 spot? Are you serious? Or are you just defending what you were ******ed enough to be swayed into believing?
At the time of the stoppage, Macklin was very much still in the fight. You don't get to the 11th round and be a point or two away from the lead if you were dominated, idiot. Macklin gassed out after the 8th. Had he been able to keep up what he had been doing stamina-wise, Martinez was on his way to an upset. It wasn't until Macklin gassed that Martinez supposedly "adjusted" and began looking good. That says that Martinez can't look good unless an opponent is exhausted or leaves himself completely open as in the case of PWILL.
[QUOTE=mistermartin;11903658]U don't even realize that in the barker fight ANNNNDDDD the ****ing macklin fight...sergio is breaking guys down ONE PUNCH AT A TIME....they aren't staying around to get hit w/ combos....he knockin ninjas out even after pot shotting for 6-7-8 rds....
You're an idiot. He wasn't breaking anyone down last night and everyone watching saw it. He ESCAPED with that win because of Macklin's lack of stamina. The world saw last night that a C fighter like Macklin could drag the 160lbs champion and #3P4P fighter into deep waters and make him look like lukewarm dog SHlT. There were already questions after the Barker fight. Those questions are still there and now there are a lot more.
I can agree with this only because your analogy puts into context that last night's win was predicated on stamina, not skill or technique by the so-called #3P4P champion. Had Macklin not gassed, he was in position to upset Sergio as he was still in contention before the knockdowns which ONLY came after Macklin was exhausted, sloppy and trying to make it to the final bell.
We will ALWAYS agree that Merchant is a fcuking d!ckhead. That much will always be true.
However, he was right last night in a rare moment of clarity. Macklin was never in control, but he did his job which was to make sure that Martinez was never really in control either. That is what kept him in the fight.
Last night's fight reminded me a lot of the Tszyu/Hatton match. Except Hatton was able to sustain his offense until the fight was over. Macklin was not. If you remember, Tszyu caught Hatton late and floored him, but the ref waved it off as a slip. Damage was done, but Hatton regrouped and kept on fighting, but Tszyu was dejected because he felt that he desperately needed that knockdown to stay in the fight.
Macklin was on the same path as Hatton was. Except Macklin was spent by the beginning of the 9th.
I don't believe that you saw the fight. What you write certainly isn't in line with what actually happened.
Martinez definitely won, but he was exposed by a fighter who should NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DRAG HIS ASSS INTO THE DEEP WATERS HE FOUND HIMSELF IN TOWARDS THE END.
A better fighter will see what Macklin did, show up in great shape and do everything Macklin did but better.
You're defending a SHlTTY performance when no one is claiming that Sergio lost. Macklin wasn't robbed in ANY way. I just think that Sergio doesn't deserve the status he's been GIVEN, and that's evidenced by having only 2 noteworthy wins in 53 fights, and having two unimpressive and hard-fought performances against C- level fighters.
Now either you refute this with facts, or you just continue to feel powerless and curse a lot. The choice is yours, Spanky.Comment
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Notice how you said years, not months. Even then, care to provide links to your facts above?
Anyway, we'll always disagree on this topic as long as you know Pac is the topic at hand.
Let's get back to talking about Sergio so you can go back to agreeing with me about weight cut offs and what hasn't normally been possible (3 divisions in 9 months) in the last 120 years in boxing.Comment
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OK, lets get back to Sergio. How am I agreeing with you? If Sergio goes to SMW and beats Ward. I won't find it su****ious at all. I don't think he can personally, I think 160 is his limit he is a small MW. But, if he did I won't think PED's. I would think greatness, HOF bound. You thinking su****ion fine I'm thinking accomplishments. We don't agree not even the slightest. I don't even think you got that idea from.Comment
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If Sergio goes to 168 and beats Ward, and is the older, stronger, and faster fighter while throwing more punches than the 168 pound average after just making 154 from 147 (in 9 months), yes, I would find that kind of strange.
But if Sergio gradually goes up to 168, like he's doing now (fighting a few fights at 160) over a year or so, then get's to 168 and slows down a bit and isn't KO'ing guys like Ward with 1 punch, then no, I have no problems with that. Even if he KO's Ward, depending on how he does it, I would have no problem with that. If you need me to explain what "how" means, I'll be more than happy to do so.Comment
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