Who did Floyd beat?

[IronDanHamza]

Hey IronDan, would you vite Kostya Tszyu in based on his resume??? His best wins aren't better than Corrales and Castillo's best wins, Hatton beat him H2H when he was the #1 JWW in the world and Hatton has other solid wins, and Genaro dominated 130 until he met Floyd, sort of like how Tszyu dominated 140 until he met Hatton.

I just don't see how Tszyu is a sure bet HOF fighter and Hatton-Corrales-Castillo-G. Hernandez aren't even in the conversation.

I wouldn't vote Kosta Tszyu in the HOF, no.

I consider him boarderline.

I'd probably vote him over Corrales and Hatton then again it's still somewhat arguable IMO.

[4Corners]

I wouldn't vote Kosta Tszyu in the HOF, no.

I consider him boarderline.

I'd probably vote him over Corrales and Hatton then again it's still somewhat arguable IMO.

That's what I've always thought as well. Tszyu, Hatton, Corrales, Castillo, and G. Hernandez are borderline in my opinion. But, Tszyu seems like he got in with relative ease, which surprised me. So, if he got in so easily, I don't see why Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, Ricky Hatton, and Genaro Hernandez can't get in someday.

[IronDanHamza]

That's what I've always thought as well. Tszyu, Hatton, Corrales, Castillo, and G. Hernandez are borderline in my opinion. But, Tszyu seems like he got in with relative ease, which surprised me. So, if he got in so easily, I don't see why Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, Ricky Hatton, and Genaro Hernandez can't get in someday.

Popularity, mainly.

I doubt Castillo will ever get in.

Corrales might, but I doubt it.

Hatton may get in for a similar reason to McGuigan, fan base.

Hernandez, doubt it.

Gatti may because of popularity and being in known wars.

I personally don't think any of them really deserve to get in. Especially considering who isn't yet in. Perhaps Castillo again because he's probably the best and most accomplished LW of the last era. Still, probably wouldn't vote for him myself if I had the choice.

But like you said, and I agreed, I probably wouldn't vote for Kosta Tszyu either, personally.

But, unfortunately, these days, they are letting anyone in the HOF and bases their votes of whos popular and known so I have no idea what the future holds for future inductees.

[SplitSecond]

I thought Mayweather and Pacquaio were the same size?

Isn't that what everyone say's after someone made that picture going through their size at each other's age and they weighed the same and looked the same at their respective age?

And Pacquaio at WW is anything but bloated.

when pacquiao fought at jmw, what did he weigh in at?
when floyd fought at jmw what did he weigh in at?
what's the least you think floyd will weigh in against cotto?

same size, ha, right

pacquiao didn't take as many "guard up and stand there" breaks as he has done since he has moved up, mackie shilstone said he was amazed at roy jones strenght to explode and double/triple his jabs with the resistance bands on, just because pacquiao has the strenght to explode with the added weight doesn't mean he is clearly not at a disadvantage at welterweight, he is small for the class, no way around it, floyd is not

[4Corners]

Popularity, mainly.

I doubt Castillo will ever get in.

Corrales might, but I doubt it.

Hatton may get in for a similar reason to McGuigan, fan base.

Hernandez, doubt it.

Gatti may because of popularity and being in known wars.

I personally don't think any of them really deserve to get in. Especially considering who isn't yet in.

But, unfortunately, these days, they are letting anyone in the HOF and bases their votes of whos popular and known so I have no idea what the future holds for future inductees.

Agree. Joe Walcott had to wait 37 years to get into the HOF, and Tszyu only had to wait 6 years??? There's just something wrong with that.

[4Corners]

when pacquiao fought at jmw, what did he weigh in at?
when floyd fought at jmw what did he weigh in at?
what's the least you think floyd will weigh in against cotto?

same size, ha, right

pacquiao didn't take as many "guard up and stand there" breaks as he has done since he has moved up, mackie shilstone said he was amazed at roy jones strenght to explode and double his jabs with the resistance bands on, just because pacquiao has the strenght to explode with the added weight doesn't mean he is clearly not at a disadvantage at welterweight, he is small for the class, no way around it, floyd is not

Pac weighed in at 138 lbs when he fought Hatton at 140. Floyd weighed in at 140 against Corley and 139 against Gatti......Floyd is an inch and a half taller, how is Floyd so much bigger??? The most Floyd has weighed on fight night was 150 against Oscar and Ortiz, and the most he weighed on a weight in was 150 against Oscar. His last 3 fights, he weighed 146 for the weigh in. Pac weighed 144 against Cotto, 145 3/4 against Clottey, 144 1/2 against Margarito, and 145 against Mosley. How is Floyd THAT much bigger???????

Floyd is considered a smaller WW as well. Look at Felix Trinidad, Sugar Ray Leonard, Oscar De La Hoya when they fought at WW, way bigger than Floyd. Even current WW's like Andre Berto and Victor Ortiz, though not that much taller than Floyd, weigh in much bigger and look bigger on fight night no doubt.

[IronDanHamza]

when pacquiao fought at jmw, what did he weigh in at?
when floyd fought at jmw what did he weigh in at?
what's the least you think floyd will weigh in against cotto?

same size, ha, right

pacquiao didn't take as many "guard up and stand there" breaks as he has done since he has moved up, mackie shilstone said he was amazed at roy jones strenght to explode and double/triple his jabs with the resistance bands on, just because pacquiao has the strenght to explode with the added weight doesn't mean he is clearly not at a disadvantage at welterweight, he is small for the class, no way around it, floyd is not

I didn't say I think they are the same size. I said that's what everyone was/is saying then whoever it was that made that strip like picture comparing their respective weight and size when they were the same age thus "Concluding" they are the same size.

Me personally? I think Mayweather is bigger but not really by much they have been around the same weight when at the same age and both are comfortable at WW. At best he's a "blown up" Jr WW.

Then again, I discovered for the first time recently that Pacquaio was walking around at 150+ for his fight with Cotto which is around the same as Mayweather walks around at. Not sure how I ever missed that but an article was brought up in recent thread. I always thought Pacquaio walked around at 144-145 since 08-09ish but apparently not.

However you are claiming he is a bloated at WW which he clearly and obviously is not. He's a WW now and makes it comfortably.

[IronDanHamza]

Pac weighed in at 138 lbs when he fought Hatton at 140. Floyd weighed in at 140 against Corley and 139 against Gatti......Floyd is an inch and a half taller, how is Floyd so much bigger??? The most Floyd has weighed on fight night was 150 against Oscar and Ortiz, and the most he weighed on a weight in was 150 against Oscar. His last 3 fights, he weighed 146 for the weigh in. Pac weighed 144 against Cotto, 145 3/4 against Clottey, 144 1/2 against Margarito, and 145 against Mosley. How is Floyd THAT much bigger???????

Floyd is considered a smaller WW as well. Look at Felix Trinidad, Sugar Ray Leonard, Oscar De La Hoya when they fought at WW, way bigger than Floyd. Even current WW's like Andre Berto and Victor Ortiz, though not that much taller than Floyd, weigh in much bigger and look bigger on fight night no doubt.

True. Some good points there.

A lot of people consider Mayweather a big WW. He's really not.

I wouldn't consider him a small WW, I consider him comfortable at the weight but he's not natural WW and far from it.

A big or natural WW is someone like Tommy Hearns or Ray Leonard etc etc. Mayweather came from 130- and at 16 was around the same size as Pacquaio at the same age.

I do think Mayweather is bigger than Pacquaio though just not by that much.

[nysoxfan84]

I don't understand the purpose of these threads. Doesn't matter how many HoF fighters Mayweather has beaten, he's top P4P #1 or 2 now and a 1st ballot Hall of Famer. All you gotta now is that unless Mayweather is fighting against Ward or the damn K brothers, he will always be favorite to win. And he will be the betting favorite against Pacquiao, too, if that fight is ever made. So again: what's the freaking point of this? You saying only a win against Pacquiao will solidify his legacy? That's ridiculous. And the same thing goes for Pac needing a win over May.

[SplitSecond]

I didn't say I think they are the same size. I said that's what everyone was/is saying then whoever it was that made that strip like picture comparing their respective weight and size when they were the same age thus "Concluding" they are the same size.

Me personally? I think Mayweather is bigger but not really by much they have been around the same weight when at the same age and both are comfortable at WW. At best he's a "blown up" Jr WW.

Then again, I discovered for the first time recently that Pacquaio was walking around at 150+ for his fight with Cotto which is around the same as Mayweather walks around at. Not sure how I ever missed that but an article was brought up in recent thread. I always thought Pacquaio walked around at 144-145 since 08-09ish but apparently not.

However you are claiming he is a bloated at WW which he clearly and obviously is not. He's a WW now and makes it comfortably.

bloated a strong word maybe, he's small for the class, floyd is not, is my point

i dont think pacquiao is hitting the gym inbetween fights much, floyd is always passing by the gym or running which would keep his weight down

also i dont think floyd is around 150 walk around unless he really does take working out inbetween fights seriously, he has to be in the high 150's, these guys come to the ring on an empty stomach(more fluids than weigh in, obviously) in the high 140's, i dont think when they are stuffing there faces they are (esspecially floyd) be just around 150, unless again, he takes working out inbetween fights seriously