who is more likely to make the IBHOF?

[talip bin osman]

The Trinidad fight was a great fight. After getting caught cold in the first Vargas got himself back in it and almost had Tito out in the 4th but for the intentional low blows.

Back to the topic though. If fighters like Lazslo Papp and Barry McGuigan are in, and Vitaly is being touted as a hall of famer without a career defining win, nor ever being the top dog...why not Vargas?

Mind you Im not disagreeing, just curious as to your reasoning. Im personally in favor of raising the standards for admittance.

thats the problem of letting borderline candidates inside the hall...

vargas was good and all... i like his machismo and the way he integrated it with his above average skills, but compared to the mccallum, norris, hearns, monzon? he is quite inadequate... (at least for me)

why is popularity fast becoming a criteria for HOF induction is something i cant understand...

[MARKBNLV]

What, none of NSB's boxing experts want to weigh in with their opinions?

Vitali sadly never had a lot of competition,and we all knoe if he would have cme out for the 8th against Lewis he would have scored a ko,that eye was nasty though,and in my mind he has been the man since except for his layoff, he wont fight his brother what does the man need to do?Haye was a unified Cw champion in a division that espn doesnt even cover,beating a pack of bums is not that impressive.

Hows it going jab ltns

[BattlingNelson]

Lets expand on fighters who may or may not make the hall of fame.

Does Fernando Vargas belong in the HOF? He beat Winky Wright, Ike Quartet and 4 other fighters who held titles at one time or another. He also had 5 or 6 title defenses after claiming the IBF title in his (I think) 14th pro fight. Had a legendary fight with Trinidad and a great war with Oscar, as well as always being entertaining. Should he get in?

What about Bob Foster? Should he be there?

[JAB5239]

What about Bob Foster? Should he be there?

With 15 defenses as the recognized light heavyweight champion and the career defining ko of Tiger, I'd say undoubtedly.

[JAB5239]

I be honest with ya. I don't know who Lazslo Papp is and I don't think McGuigan achieve my "five second HOF rule". So I don't think McGuigan is a clearcut HOF.

Vargas's win over Wright is somewhat close and controversial. So other than Quartey, no other "highly significant" wins. And he does not have much career longevity either.

Vitaly has longevity and dominated over the "best" (or best of rest since not fighting with his brother) of that division that has to offer. One can also argue with "it's not his fault the HW sucks" card. Now whether Vitaly is a top 5 HW of all-time then I would say no (in less than 5 sec).

I can live with that.

[JAB5239]

thats the problem of letting borderline candidates inside the hall...

vargas was good and all... i like his machismo and the way he integrated it with his above average skills, but compared to the mccallum, norris, hearns, monzon? he is quite inadequate... (at least for me)

why is popularity fast becoming a criteria for HOF induction is something i cant understand...

Because they have no basic criteria for enshrinement and let journalists vote.

[JAB5239]

Vitali sadly never had a lot of competition,and we all knoe if he would have cme out for the 8th against Lewis he would have scored a ko,that eye was nasty though,and in my mind he has been the man since except for his layoff, he wont fight his brother what does the man need to do?Haye was a unified Cw champion in a division that espn doesnt even cover,beating a pack of bums is not that impressive.

Hows it going jab ltns

Whats good Mark? Haven't seen you posting much lately, where you hiding?

[The_Golden_Goy]

Vitali walks into Canastota and he's welcomed with open arms

[BattlingNelson]

With 15 defenses as the recognized light heavyweight champion and the career defining ko of Tiger, I'd say undoubtedly.

But he lost to Mina and didnt rematch?

[Paclan]

What the hell kind of question is that...

Why would haye make any HOF list?