who is more likely to make the IBHOF?

[crold1]

he's popular but not great. i don't think being popular should get you in otherwise we are gonna get a lot of guys like chavez jr in the hall soon; guys that never really fought or beat the best but were just marketed as stars.

I don't disagree with you but it is what it is. I spoke with another voter once who I have a LOT of respect for. His take is that, hey, keep your P4P. Heavyweights are still the best in the world in reality. He'd vote for Vitali despite some lacking resume.

I don't think it hurts the Hall when Vitali gets in anyways. Most people thought he was the best (or 1A) Heavyweight for close to a decade. For the most part, overwhelmingly, the right guys are in. It's a perspectives issue.

I do my part to try and get the deserving but overlooked in. My issue is more with who ain't than who is.

Just look at the names that haven't got in yet, all to be back on the ballot again, most already there for years: http://www.bwaa.org/ibhof.htm

Since we started doing this, Chang, Cocoa and Marshall...all in. That's a good thing.

[Optimistic]

Vitali deserves it. Haye doesnt.

[JAB5239]

Thread backfire? Haha.

How do you figure? I said I'd lean towards Vitaly, Einstein.

[Tiozzo]

neither deserve it to be honest, but Vitali has done more than Haye in hs career for sure

[JAB5239]

Lets expand on fighters who may or may not make the hall of fame.

Does Fernando Vargas belong in the HOF? He beat Winky Wright, Ike Quartet and 4 other fighters who held titles at one time or another. He also had 5 or 6 title defenses after claiming the IBF title in his (I think) 14th pro fight. Had a legendary fight with Trinidad and a great war with Oscar, as well as always being entertaining. Should he get in?

[LeG00N]

voted for Haye....

even though it's not the popular thing to do

[sdcluser]

Who is most likely to make the hall of fame between David Haye and Vitaly Klitschko?

Haye was a unified cruiserweight champion and a heavyweight title holder.

Vitaly is a heavyweight title holder but has failed to ever beat the best in his division or actually be "the man".

Who deserves the hall of fame more and why? Vote and discuss.

The dude who wears pink toga in boxing trunk in your avatar is more likely to make IBHOF.

[sdcluser]

Lets expand on fighters who may or may not make the hall of fame.

Does Fernando Vargas belong in the HOF? He beat Winky Wright, Ike Quartet and 4 other fighters who held titles at one time or another. He also had 5 or 6 title defenses after claiming the IBF title in his (I think) 14th pro fight. Had a legendary fight with Trinidad and a great war with Oscar, as well as always being entertaining. Should he get in?

Someone who deserves to be IBHOF usually does not require much LONG pensive thinking. It usually is quick and "obvious".

No on Vargas.

Legendary beatdown by Trinidad you mean. Oscar basically put a shell and let Vargas punch himself out.

[JAB5239]

Someone who deserves to be IBHOF usually does not require much LONG pensive thinking. It usually is quick and "obvious".

No on Vargas.

Legendary beatdown by Trinidad you mean. Oscar basically put a shell and let Vargas punch himself out.

The Trinidad fight was a great fight. After getting caught cold in the first Vargas got himself back in it and almost had Tito out in the 4th but for the intentional low blows.

Back to the topic though. If fighters like Lazslo Papp and Barry McGuigan are in, and Vitaly is being touted as a hall of famer without a career defining win, nor ever being the top dog...why not Vargas?

Mind you Im not disagreeing, just curious as to your reasoning. Im personally in favor of raising the standards for admittance.

[sdcluser]

The Trinidad fight was a great fight. After getting caught cold in the first Vargas got himself back in it and almost had Tito out in the 4th but for the intentional low blows.

Back to the topic though. If fighters like Lazslo Papp and Barry McGuigan are in, and Vitaly is being touted as a hall of famer without a career defining win, nor ever being the top dog...why not Vargas?

Mind you Im not disagreeing, just curious as to your reasoning. Im personally in favor of raising the standards for admittance.

I be honest with ya. I don't know who Lazslo Papp is and I don't think McGuigan achieve my "five second HOF rule". So I don't think McGuigan is a clearcut HOF.

Vargas's win over Wright is somewhat close and controversial. So other than Quartey, no other "highly significant" wins. And he does not have much career longevity either.

Vitaly has longevity and dominated over the "best" (or best of rest since not fighting with his brother) of that division that has to offer. One can also argue with "it's not his fault the HW sucks" card. Now whether Vitaly is a top 5 HW of all-time then I would say no (in less than 5 sec).