who is more likely to make the IBHOF?

[-Kev-]

Considering they let in any boxer in the HOF, i'm sure both will probably get in some day. But if I had a choice of the two, i'd pick Vitali. But then again, there's no certain criteria to which we can go by to know for sure who's going in. Like the baseball HOF, it's very exclusive, very hard to get in. You could be an all time great player for your team, and not get in. That's how hard it is.

Bernie Williams is one of the greatest players to ever play for the New York Yankees, with the numbers to back it up, being in top 5's and top 10 lists accompanying All Time Great HOF'ers like Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio, Micky Mantle, Yogi Berra, and future one's like Derek Jeter etc. Also holds all kinds of records in the Post Season[Play Offs/World Series], where it matters most. Yet Bernie only has 9.6% votes from the 75% needed for the induction. Let's just say with the numbers that Williams put up, he'd be at least top 50 ATG in boxing if you translated the numbers to make it the equivalent. Yet he's struggling to even stay on the Baseball HOF ballot, sadly one of my favorite players ever will probably never make it to the HOF.

But then we have all kinds of undeserving boxers who pale in comparison to the all time greats of boxing, making it easily, first ballot HOF in boxing. These guys i'm mentioning Bernie with, these are not only all time great Yankees, these are some of the best baseball players in baseball history. When you have a Kostya Tszyu in the same HOF list as a Sugar Ray Robinson...there's something seriously wrong with boxing and it's standards. And when you have TV actors getting in to some special category of the HOF[Sylvester Stallone] I don't care what category it is, what it's called,for what reason it is, I don't care, it just makes it a complete joke.

[Boxing Bob]

Vitali by far! If Haye makes the HOF, they should burn the building down.

[Pretty Boy32]

****** thread.

[daggum]

Vitali by far! If Haye makes the HOF, they should burn the building down.

haye at least beat the best guy in his division, something vitali never has done. beating up a long string of B level fighters isn't great, does chris john deserve to be in the hall? i would say no, well maybe if you count robberies but i don't know if the voters even know that john robbed marquez.

[-Kev-]

haye at least beat the best guy in his division, something vitali never has done. beating up a long string of B level fighters isn't great, does chris john deserve to be in the hall? i would say no, well maybe if you count robberies but i don't know if the voters even know that john robbed marquez.

If Boxingscene can ignore that the Marquez-Pacquiao III outcome was a robbery, and kept Pac at #1 for his "win" and "what he's done in the last 5 years"...I'm sure the IBHOF would ignore that John-Marquez was a robbery as well. I don't think anybody cares about robberies, people soon start mentioning a robbery win as an actual win for a fighter..."Oh, he beat this guy, and that guy".

[crold1]

If Boxingscene can ignore that the Marquez-Pacquiao III outcome was a robbery

It's not ignored. I disagree with your take on the outcome. If I thought it was a robbery, or thought Marquez should have gotten the win, it would read different.

[daggum]

If Boxingscene can ignore that the Marquez-Pacquiao III outcome was a robbery, and kept Pac at #1 for his "win" and "what he's done in the last 5 years"...I'm sure the IBHOF would ignore that John-Marquez was a robbery as well. I don't think anybody cares about robberies, people soon start mentioning a robbery win as an actual win for a fighter..."Oh, he beat this guy, and that guy".

except that's the only good thing john has ever done and vitali hasn't even done anything close to that so i don't know why he would get in. dominating B level fighters for a long time? what's so great about that? if he had beaten lewis, byrd, and wlad then yea he would probably get in. quality over quanity. the sugar ray leonard way.

[S H A R K B O Y]

Thread backfire? Haha.

[crold1]

except that's the only good thing john has ever done and vitali hasn't even done anything close to that so i don't know why he would get in. dominating B level fighters for a long time? what's so great about that? if he had beaten lewis, byrd, and wlad then yea he would probably get in. quality over quanity. the sugar ray leonard way.

The question though is more likely. That's Vitali. He's a Heavyweight and that means a LOT in terms of the Hall.

I doubt Haye makes it because the largely U.S. voting pool is going to hold that Wald win against him. I don't know that I'd vote for either if they were on the ballot this coming year given who else is on it.

[daggum]

The question though is more likely. That's Vitali. He's a Heavyweight and that means a LOT in terms of the Hall.

I doubt Haye makes it because the largely U.S. voting pool is going to hold that Wald win against him. I don't know that I'd vote for either if they were on the ballot this coming year given who else is on it.

he's popular but not great. i don't think being popular should get you in otherwise we are gonna get a lot of guys like chavez jr in the hall soon; guys that never really fought or beat the best but were just marketed as stars.