Comments Thread For: Roy Jones: I'd Beat Mayweather, Pacquiao a Tough Style

[intoccabile]

You clearly don't get it.

Since you're using ****** ass logic and reasoning. Let me give you something that it will equate to what you're saying.

Mayweather vs Burton(then)/Augustus(now).

Burton/Augustus unorthodox style gave Floyd hell. One of the 3 toughest fight Floyd had in his career, Floyd was getting hit, Floyd leaking, Floyd had to dig deep. Floyd had trouble.

Am I to believe that Roy unorthodox style, but being the 10x more athletic, 10x more skilled, 10x the fighter that Burton/Augustus is can't handle Floyd?

I don't think it gave floyd hell at all. I personally thought floyd handled the hell out of burton, but credits it as being his 'toughest' fight because its a fight he didn't expect to be tough - because Augustus had a ****ty record. Like.. he could have been 0-30 and if he landed 2 punches Floyd would have called it his toughest, because some dude 0-30 landed a punch LOL. That's how he explained it in an interview, and that's how I interpreted it when he first said it. But let's be real, floyd handled that dude handily. I'm not using logic at all, I am just breaking down the style and roys intangibles. He didn't make adjustments well during fights. When it's all said and done, his earmuffs are all he had when his athleticism couldn't get him out of a tough fight.

And those same earmuffs got him knocked out EACH time he was knocked out, lol. I just don't see how someone who lacked any boxing fundamentals deals with floyd, when he couldn't deal with Griffin.. who wasn't even being that cagey.

Is that so hard to believe?

This next part isn't for you - it's for those I'm talking to about roys jab.

Roy landed 57 of 220 jabs against Ruiz according to Compubox. That's my point - his jab is no better than Alexanders. His USE of it, and it's purpose is effective.. show off the speed, keep the man from getting comfortable and set.. but he never intended to make contact with it and it's because of that that I have to say, roy didn't have a good jab.

[MTN]

Mayweather is pretty different from Toney in fact. If that is Jones best argument to say he would beat Floyd P4P, he has to go back to the drawing board.

You're right, May is different from Toney... May aint as slick as JT.

[intoccabile]

You're right, May is different from Toney... May aint as slick as JT.

hard to say.. he's got MUCH better legs. Toney was a lazy mofo on the feet. Super flat footed, and would almost always let his man get BEHIND him sometimes, just because he was too lazy to pivot.

I think if you add in floyds feet, you've got an equal defensive skillset.. maybe more, who knows.

[fabie]

Like life, there's yins ang yangs, twists and turns - there's no absolute answer to all of these. But RJJ think/feel that his personality/style/skill set would beat Mayweather relatively easier than fighting Pacquiao.

That's his statement. Why can't we just respect his views and instead of attacking him personally and nullifying him because it doesn't conform with our beliefs?

That's the main issue most of the time, it is whether we believe it or not...that's why boxing isn't just a logical chess match of wits and logic, it has to be done in the ring. Thus I'd say - respect one another.

Both Mayweather and Pacquiao present UNIQUE challenges to the other competitors, that's why both are the best in what they do that an RJJ caliber of a fighter would comment and have comparative and mythical match based on their opinions.

There's so many variables and elements into the mythical who-is-better-between-Mayweather-and-Pacquiao but it doesn't have to be conforming to anyone of our ideas or opinions because even if both fighters would have fought in their absolute prime, perhaps it would even make us disappointed because REALITY sometimes doesn't conform any of our ideals.

Such is life. Thus there are beliefs, ideals AND realities and sometimes they don't make sense or match at all. It's ok.

It's called life.

[SplitSecond]

This was a response I wrote not long ago. I knew someone would point out that fight.. now feel free to embed it and prove me wrong. Roy used his jab in that fight the SAME exact way Alexander used his jab in the Kotelnik fight. and here are the results

64 / 647 Jabs 10% landed

Amazing, isn't it? Frequency doens't mean good.





No, he didn't have a jab at all. He used his jab EXACTLy how Alexander uses his.

Alexander will throw 400 jabs a fight and land 20 of them, and that's a factual statistic, btw.

Roy hardly ever made significant contact with his jab if ever, he would shadow box with it, nothing more. His fight with pazienza was probably his best display of his jab against ANY opponent in his career, even the COMPLETELY over matched ones early on and that's only because it was used frequently to keep Pazienza guessing, but it wasn't actually a destructive weapon. It didn't bust him up, hell it hardly landed, and Paz slipped most of the ones that didn't fall short (and most of them fail short, since he shadow boxed with it primarily).

yep, a shadowboxing jab that falls short = a jab that cruises way past the shoulders of an opponent when it misses, and i guess pazienza's skin cut itself as it feared roy's short-ass-never-reaching jab

also do you know the point of the jab? set up punches
like he used vs pazienza and park-si-hun

roy isn't wladimir where he is afraid every second of every round and be content with landing just jabs, he liked to get his power in, if the opponent shows some elusivness he'll use the jab to set things up, like a smart fighter does

[Discipline]

I'm a big fan of RJJ. Grew up watching him fight, but I don't really believe him here due to bearing in mind that Roy is a huge Pac fan. I've never heard Roy praise Mayweather the way he does Pac. He respects Mayweather, and gives him credit for his skills. But Pac on the other hand he showers him with heaps of props. That's mainly down to Pac being an exciting fighter - doesn't make it the tougher fight though.

I remember in November 2011, Roy came out and said he doesn't want to see Pac -vs- Mayweather anymore. He rather see Mayweather take on a more challenging opponent like Khan. (I can show you proof). In December, he came out and said the mega fight will not happen because Bob Arum is not willing to risk losing his cash cow. All these factors combined tell me as well all already know, that he feels Mayweather will beat Pac. In 09' he said Pac should stay away from Mayweather and Mosley because they're too big and fast. Ok, so just by added up those comments, it's clear as day, he sees Mayweather as a a P4P better fighter than Pac.

There's a clear as day bias. He knows May's the better fighter, would also be tougher. Comparing him to Toney is silly, especially coming from RJJ. That's actually a cheap dig imo.

He also has said in the past that Pac will have a tough fight with Cotto. Also, predicted that Pac will have a tough fight with Bradley. Does he mean to say that he's on the same level as Cotto and Bradley?

At the end of the day, P4P RJJ beats both. But with these recent comments there's a clear bias to make Pac look better than he actually is.

[Khalid X]

What Roy said was correct. Styles make fights and Manny style would present more problems.

Floyd will allow Roy to lead first, and wouldn't have the power to keep Roy from doing what he does best. Roy has a field day with Mayweathers style.

He beat Manny p4p as well, however, Manny will be coming forward and throwing punches from all angles. Add his southpaw stance.....and yes Roy could get tagged and have some issues with Manny. I mean dude has be tagged and hurt by southpaws, and constantly brings up the difficulties of fighting a southpaw.

[Tamis!]

Amazing how the Floyd stans know more than the man, Roy himself.

I mean they say Pac has no chance at Roy, but Roy don't stand a chance at all with Floyd.

[intoccabile]

yep, a shadowboxing jab that falls short = a jab that cruises way past the shoulders of an opponent when it misses, and i guess pazienza's skin cut itself as it feared roy's short-ass-never-reaching jab

also do you know the point of the jab? set up punches
like he used vs pazienza and park-si-hun

roy isn't wladimir where he is afraid every second of every round and be content with landing just jabs, he liked to get his power in, if the opponent shows some elusivness he'll use the jab to set things up, like a smart fighter does

The jab has many purposes, and as I started in another post Roys jab was good for what HE intended it to be. But everyone was acting like his jab was a good weapon when it wasnt, it was a good tool, sure, but it wasn't a deadly weapon by any means. I have already stated it served it's purpose, but MY definition of a good jab isn't what Roys was.

A good jab to me is one that is feared or demands respect. One that if it lands, will have an impact. Holmes comes to mind.. as does Quartey. Those are good jabs. Roys was just loose change, many fights flick their jab out there for the same purpose with the same results.

Now, Derrick Gainer has the same style as Roy and his jab was decent. Watching footage of them you'll see the difference I'm talking about. They both fight exactly alike.. I dunno if they have the same trainer or Gainer just loved Roy enough to emulate him, but he had a snappy jab that put heads back, and IMO that's what I look for in a good jab.

[Bermuda]

pacquiao's style would be tough for anyone...especially when pac was fighting at 122 to 126...he was a wild and unpredictable fighter back then and he still sort of is today..