What happened to the Victor Ortiz that fought Berto?

[intoccabile]

I can relax myself to get hit, it's something you learn as you go.

And of course a clean knock out shot is going to be a clean knock out shot no matter how relax or tense you are.

But when has floyd ever thrown a knock out shot?

It's been a minute. But ortiz not expecting it has a lot to do with it.. even if it was legit. I always thought he could have continued but said **** it - thats my personal belief.. but I can just as easily argue the other side of the ball too just to be fair

[Stebs]

Victor was looking at Cortez for a break and not expecting any shots to be fired. He may not have seen Berto's shots, but he was in an exchange and fighting.

He was looking at Floyd, the left hook is what made him turn his head to the ref.
The ref just said let's go and he was looking for another break. (OK)

Watch the end again and then tell me who he was looking at.

[bojangles1987]

He has always been the exact same guy, the only difference is whoever he is fighting.

[bdawg56kg]

? it's common knowledge to relax yourself in a fight

the brain isnt like your abs, that you tense up before you get hit. You dont have any protective muscles on your face.

if you go with the flow, your neck muscles absorbs most of the impact, but if you resist it, your head absorbs the damage.

even money, have you ever boxed before? i am willing to bet no. it is common knowledge that you get hurt waaayy more by shots you don't see. this is why the majority of ko shots are counter punches, usually when the person is in the act of throwing a punch - see donaire/montiel, donaire/darchinyan (also the reason donaire couldn't ko navarez. do you think donaire wasn't throwing as hard?) in ortiz's case he both didn't see it coming at all and wasn't even in fight mode. im not gonna debate whether he quit or not, but to say he wasn't badly hurt by that right hand is ridiculous.

[DARKSEID]

even money, have you ever boxed before? i am willing to bet no. it is common knowledge that you get hurt waaayy more by shots you don't see. this is why the majority of ko shots are counter punches, usually when the person is in the act of throwing a punch - see donaire/montiel, donaire/darchinyan (also the reason donaire couldn't ko navarez. do you think donaire wasn't throwing as hard?) in ortiz's case he both didn't see it coming at all and wasn't even in fight mode. im not gonna debate whether he quit or not, but to say he wasn't badly hurt by that right hand is ridiculous.

Yeah I box. You get hurt by those punches because if you can't see them, that means they were well placed.

Power comes from form and timing(that's why speed= power). All i'm arguing is that Ortiz could have gotten up from that.

Floyd doesnt have knockout power, and I've seen Ortiz go through MUCH worse.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Yeah I box. You get hurt by those punches because if you can't see them, that means they were well placed.

Power comes from form and timing(that's why speed= power). All i'm arguing is that Ortiz could have gotten up from that.

Floyd doesnt have knockout power, and I've seen Ortiz go through MUCH worse.

No, they weren't "well placed"....hahaha

He hit the man when he was looking at Joe Cortez.

He was seriously hurt, he didn't see those shots coming. It's the same reason Pac hurts so many people because they get hit form shots they can't see or get ready for. Ortiz looked very determined that fight, he just fought the pound 4 pound best fighter in the world, realized he couldn't do what he wanted and got frustrated.

I'm surprised he even attempted to get up from those shots, he was blindsided, sucker punched....

[DARKSEID]

No, they weren't "well placed"....hahaha

He hit the man when he was looking at Joe Cortez.

He was seriously hurt, he didn't see those shots coming. It's the same reason Pac hurts so many people because they get hit form shots they can't see or get ready for. Ortiz looked very determined that fight, he just fought the pound 4 pound best fighter in the world, realized he couldn't do what he wanted and got frustrated.

I'm surprised he even attempted to get up from those shots, he was blindsided, sucker punched....

pac hurts people because of his speed and angles. He can get into position and throw a punch in perfect form faster than most fighters. Floyd is the only one i've seen that can do this faster, but he doesnt commit like pac does.

and pac sets you up, and he does so many veteran things that arent easy to notice because he's all over the place and he does it in a non-conventional way.

He's a very powerful offensive fighter, he has all the tools.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

pac hurts people because of his speed and angles. He can get into position and throw a punch in perfect form faster than most fighters. Floyd is the only one i've seen that can do this faster, but he doesnt commit like pac does.

and pac sets you up, and he does so many veteran things that arent easy to notice because he's all over the place and he does it in a non-conventional way.

He's a very powerful offensive fighter, he has all the tools.

Thanks for repeating what I just said. Speed + angles means they can't see the shot. It is exactly what I said. When you can prepare for the shot you can take the shot much better. When you can't see it like Hatton didn't, you are going to be hurt.

It's the same reason that you see people get knocked out from sucker punches that don't seem so hard but your body isn't ready for it.

Ortiz was seriously hurt, he was blindsided. It's not easy to recover from something like that.

[odogg8121]

punches hurt less when you're relaxed

If you tense you head when you're boxing, you feel the impact on your enire head and your neck, like your head is being ripped apart. But if you relax your head and your neck, your body naturally absorbs the impact in the most efficient way.

Do you box or spar or anything??

[bdawg56kg]

Yeah I box. You get hurt by those punches because if you can't see them, that means they were well placed.

Power comes from form and timing(that's why speed= power). All i'm arguing is that Ortiz could have gotten up from that.

Floyd doesnt have knockout power, and I've seen Ortiz go through MUCH worse.

well placed is a moot point. the point is if you don't see it coming it's going to hurt more. do you disagree with this? do you think ortiz saw the right hand coming or not?

according to your logic, ken norton only took minimal punishment from cooney when he was out cold on the ropes. he was about as relaxed as you can be since he was unconscious.