I think vitilia prime beats prime tyson

[Jedi Vader]

The only immature and childish thing going on in this thread is your false use of racism or individual hatred to refute the opinion of others.

Now now Bro, I won't have you saying that about our Jimmy. That's one thing he definitely ISN'T.

[jimmy1569]

Now now Bro, I won't have you saying that about our Jimmy. That's one thing he definitely ISN'T.

I apologize for the mild names i called you earlier... that was just in the heat of the moment.. This is the nicest thing a hater has ever said about me & come to my defense no less... you're alright in my book.. son.

[The Big Dunn]

False use of racism???? Do tell moron.. perhaps you regard moron as individual racism & hatred... when all else fails against Jimmy & he has taken everyone to school.. let's bring out the race card... gotccha.. son!

Individual hatred??? Nope i despise all Klitschko hatred but dig all the haters & everyone who comes to the plate as without them... i'm talking in the air & not getting my message across

People don't hate the klits nor do they under rate them because of their nationality or skin color. People rightly question Vitali's opposition and how that translates in fantasy matchups. I have never diagreed with you efficiency arguments, I still question his opposition. Period.

Bottom line, Vitali lost to the only HOF fighter he faced. He quit against the next best opponent. Not because he was white, or northern european, or because NSB posters hate the klits.

He lost because at the end of each fight he had only one eye. Get it?

[Jedi Vader]

I apologize for the mild names i called you earlier... that was just in the heat of the moment.. This is the nicest thing a hater has ever said about me & come to my defense no less... you're alright in my book.. son.

Anytime Bro.

We will never agree on the Klits but I've always liked you as a poster and you make me laugh with your phrases and reasonings. For example:

....son
Kapish!!

[Jedi Vader]

People don't hate the klits nor do they under rate them because of their nationality or skin color. People rightly question Vitali's opposition and how that translates in fantasy matchups. I have never diagreed with you efficiency arguments, I still question his opposition. Period.

Bottom line, Vitali lost to the only HOF fighter he faced. He quit against the next best opponent. Not because he was white, or northern european, or because NSB posters hate the klits.

He lost because at the end of each fight he had only one eye. Get it?

The truth.

[- Ram Raid -]

Where do you guys think Vitali Klitschko learned how to box? He has more instinctive fighting ability & boxing know how than Mike ever had. He was trained to be a kickboxer first.. professional boxer second... he knows all the ins & outs of fighting with gloves on.. his reflexes are impeccable & his offensive arsenal second to none. There's a big REASON Vitali Klitschko HOLDS MANY heavyweight boxing records & if you think it's just because of his dimensions of 6ft 8 & 250 lbs... i'll ask all of you how many have performed & boxed at that size throughout the history of boxing?




The answer is in the higher hundreds & not one of them has come close to doing what he has done in a boxing ring. He has the highest offense to defense output in the entire history of heavyweight boxing.. IN OTHER WORDS.. he lands more punches on opponents than they do on him... the discrepancy in landed punches on him vs landed punches on his opposition is higher than any heavyweight boxer that's ever been remotely ranked. So don't talk to me about inferior boxing ability as Vitali Klitschko is the most dominant heavyweight that ever lived bar none... all the numbers prove this beyond a shadow of doubt.

O.K la.


"He was trained to be a kickboxer first.. professional boxer second... he knows all the ins & outs of fighting with gloves on.."

. . .Just like Ricky Hatton and Carl 'The Cat' Thompson. Those super-skilled practitioners of the sweet science!


"his reflexes are impeccable & his offensive arsenal second to none."

. . . I liked what you did here. It's Tysonesque. Unfortunately for the viewing public Dr Robotnik's skills aren't. . . . . . "second to none" - that statement holds water like a sieve.

"There's a big REASON Vitali Klitschko HOLDS MANY heavyweight boxing records "

. . . he fights 'fun size' boxers?

"if you think it's just because of his dimensions of 6ft 8 & 250 lbs..."

. . . don't think that at all stat-man. It's not about the size of the body, it's about what he's trained it to be. He is a supreme athlete. That's why he's so successful. It certainly isn't his skill level.

"IN OTHER WORDS.. he lands more punches on opponents than they do on him"

. . . punchbags don't tend hit back.

"So don't talk to me about inferior boxing ability as Vitali Klitschko is the most dominant heavyweight that ever lived bar none... all the numbers prove this beyond a shadow of doubt."

. . . You do love those statistics. Here's some; 'Detol kills 99.9% of germs'. Leaves a bag taste in the mouth though, it's not very refined and germs are an easy target.

[jimmy1569]

People don't hate the klits nor do they under rate them because of their nationality or skin color. People rightly question Vitali's opposition and how that translates in fantasy matchups. I have never diagreed with you efficiency arguments, I still question his opposition. Period.

Bottom line, Vitali lost to the only HOF fighter he faced. He quit against the next best opponent. Not because he was white, or northern european, or because NSB posters hate the klits.

He lost because at the end of each fight he had only one eye. Get it?

We already know his two defeats were solely due to him not having the use of two shoulders & two eyes at the end of those bouts. I still fail to see why you're bringing race into this.. the ONLY thing i've ever said with regards to race is the Klitschko's nationality & where they reside from. German & Ukraine ain't exactly well known allies of the States & if they were indeed born & bred in the States they'd have joint Billboards in Times Square & would be presented & advertised ina much better light..



They are certainly worshipped in Germany & The Ukraine & the success that they've had to the support that they get everywhere else is NOwhere near what it should be all across the globe as what these two brothers are doing is the stuff which movies are made from.. it's a once ina lifetime thing where two brothers are on top of a sport at the VERY same time... thE FACT THAT they enjoy equal success is unheard of...... think about how proud there folks are for producing two & not just one great sportsman.. never before have we seen two brothers this equally dominant... instead of this story being presented in an accurate manner... they are being portrayed as something less than they are & are actually being blamed for some of boxing's demise... it's absurd to say the least.

[The Ban Stick]

Do tell moron..

See... now i know you're a bonafide moron

Name calling of other posters is strictly prohibited.

[The Big Dunn]

We already know his two defeats were solely due to him not having the use of two shoulders & two eyes at the end of those bouts. I still fail to see why you're bringing race into this.. the ONLY thing i've ever said with regards to race is the Klitschko's nationality & where they reside from. German & Ukraine ain't exactly well known allies of the States & if they were indeed born & bred in the States they'd have joint Billboards in Times Square & would be presented & advertised ina much better light..



They are certainly worshipped in Germany & The Ukraine & the success that they've had to the support that they get everywhere else is NOwhere near what it should be all across the globe as what these two brothers are doing is the stuff which movies are made from.. it's a once ina lifetime thing where two brothers are on top of a sport at the VERY same time... thE FACT THAT they enjoy equal success is unheard of...... think about how proud there folks are for producing two & not just one great sportsman.. never before have we seen two brothers this equally dominant... instead of this story being presented in an accurate manner... they are being portrayed as something less than they are & are actually being blamed for some of boxing's demise... it's absurd to say the least.

I'm fine with everything you said here. But you need to admit They made it to the top of a rather weak division. Go read what was said about Larry Holmes from 80-83 its no different.

The story of 2 brothers being champs is remarkable. The competition they faced to get there isn't. You just need to be able to separate the two.

Ward Gatti-3 great fights. Ward and Gatti-2 average boxers. Their great fights don't make them better and their not being great doesn't make their fights average.

Vitali's record, KO%-great, opposition-not great.

[DeadLikeMe]

Name calling of other posters is strictly prohibited.

All I picture now is that german kid who smashed his computer trying to load Unreal Tournament.


jimmy below: