I think vitilia prime beats prime tyson

[jimmy1569]

Jimmy, you gotta be kidding with all this. Sanders was a frontrunner who beat 1 elite fighter his entire career. He wasn't faster than Tyson of either hand or foot, Wasn't nearly as elusive as a prime Tyson, and certainly didn't have the chin. We're talking about a guy who got stretched cold by 12-1 Nate Tubbs.

Just shows that you don't listen... nowhere did i compare him to Iron Mike.. I just pointed out his strengths as compared to everyone including Mike.. The southpaw stance & the deception of his punches.. the fact that he doesn't even look intimidating to begin with & he lulls you to sleep & then like a cobra he strikes was his strength.

Sanders as far as speed is concerned in terms of delivering a punch is right up there with the best.. he's NOT fast or fleet of foot but it's the deception in his delivery that surprised fighters.. completely different style to Tyson who just steamrolled everyone. No need to show me a tape of him being ktfo to make an irrelevant point.

[Jedi Vader]

Pure ownage.... my a$SSS..... you're just being a pest & a thorn... the fact that i even gave you the answers you were looking for is my own fault despite the fact I knew you were being childish... is on me. I should've ignored you but i deal with all Vitali Klitschko inquiries.

My answers are all the same with Klit nuthuggers.

You can babble on all day about how many rounds your boy has won and their domination but the bottom line with the Klits is so simple. Against mediocre opposition those stats stem from. You know it, I know it and thats why you could predict my answer because there is no escaping or denying it.

[JAB5239]

Just shows that you don't listen... nowhere did i compare him to Iron Mike.. I just pointed out his strengths as compared to everyone including Mike.. The southpaw stance & the deception of his punches.. the fact that he doesn't even look intimidating to begin with & he lulls you to sleep & then like a cobra he strikes was his strength.

Sanders as far as speed is concerned in terms of delivering a punch is right up there with the best.. he's NOT fast or fleet of foot but it's the deception in his delivery that surprised fighters.. completely different style to Tyson who just steamrolled everyone. No need to show me a tape of him being ktfo to make an irrelevant point.

My point is you're trying to blow him up into something he's not. You said "Tyson ain't left handed with power and speed". The fact is he was much, much more than that. And the point I was making with my last point is that if someone like Sanders could hurt Vitaly and destroy Wlad there is no reason to think a faster, harder punching and far more skilled fighter (Tyson) would far exceed how he did against both Klits.

[jimmy1569]

My point is you're trying to blow him up into something he's not. You said "Tyson ain't left handed with power and speed". The fact is he was much, much more than that. And the point I was making with my last point is that if someone like Sanders could hurt Vitaly and destroy Wlad there is no reason to think a faster, harder punching and far more skilled fighter (Tyson) would far exceed how he did against both Klits.

First off.. Tyson is smaller than Sanders & would have to reach to get close.. he also didn't have a deceptive southpaw stance. I'm not making out Sanders to be anything he wasn't.. This is all about the style making the fight.. not about who was better between Mike & Corrie. Tyson was definitely much more than that..... this still doesn't mean he's reaching the Klitschko chin without paying a hefty price in return..... that is all i'm saying.

Make fun of Corrie all you want as he didn't face too many names but when he did face bonafide champions he rocked them. Lewis didn't want any part of him & any version of Mike was nowhere to be seen unless it was a different Corey Sanders across the ring from him. Sanders might've been the most ducked heavyweight of the past quarter century as no one really wanted to deal with that type of power & speed deception from a southpaw stance.

[jimmy1569]

My answers are all the same with Klit nuthuggers.

You can babble on all day about how many rounds your boy has won and their domination but the bottom line with the Klits is so simple. Against mediocre opposition those stats stem from. You know it, I know it and thats why you could predict my answer because there is no escaping or denying it.

Son.. please... it's your word against mine when it comes to the Klitschko comp so debating with you is futile. Klitschko dominance is factual... Klitschko inept comp is opinion based at best & greatly downgraded so as to take away from Klitschko dominance that would've thrived in any era. They have all the skills.. size & strength advantages to be viewed as favorites going into ANY mythical ALLTIME great matchup... you know it & i know it..




Face the facts.. the brothers are both genetic freaks... they only come around once in a lifetime.. TYSON WOULD BE EATING so much jabs.. he'd be longing to fight Douglas/Holyfield & Lewis instead. So Jedi..please You're getting way too much airtime with me trying to make your laughable claims of Klitschko inferiority when we both know otherwise... Iron Mike knows as well & touts & raves about the brothers every chance he gets & is still thankful to this day that the BROthers were hatched about a decade after he was.... kapish!

[JAB5239]

First off.. Tyson is smaller than Sanders & would have to reach to get close.. he also didn't have a deceptive southpaw stance. I'm not making out Sanders to be anything he wasn't.. This is all about the style making the fight.. not about who was better between Mike & Corrie. Tyson was definitely much more than that..... this still doesn't mean he's reaching the Klitschko chin without paying a hefty price in return..... that is all i'm saying.

Make fun of Corrie all you want as he didn't face too many names but when he did face bonafide champions he rocked them. Lewis didn't want any part of him & any version of Mike was nowhere to be seen unless it was a different Corey Sanders across the ring from him. Sanders might've been the most ducked heavyweight of the past quarter century as no one really wanted to deal with that type of power & speed deception from a southpaw stance.

You want to talk about style making the fight? Tyson was great at slipping the jab and making his opponent pay to the body, which in turn opened up the head. He was also excellent at sliding to the side to create new punching angles. Neither Klit has faced anyone who could remotely fight like that and both have proven to have difficulties when an opponent can force them back. Tyson is also fast enough to get off combos when he gets inside before getting tied up, and we both know neither brother can fight on the inside. Prime Tyson is a death sentence for Wlad and Vitaly's worst nightmare in my opinion.

I'm not even gonna get into Sanders. The guy failed EVERY TIME he stepped up to an A level fighter, except Wlad, and was knocked out by B level fighters. "Rocking" fighters means nothing, its who wins and how you perform against top comp that counts.

[- Ram Raid -]

Supreme athletes no doubt (as you would expect from professional sportsmen with PHD's in sports science).

Those physical advantages wouldn't be as telling against fighters with greater skill. Tyson admires the way they conduct themselves as much as anything. If he had their level of professionalism he may well have been untouchable. Where ever you believe Tyson belongs amongst the greats at heavyweight, neither of the brothers has his level of skill.

They stand on their own physically, but in terms of boxing ability they're quite some down the list.

[jimmy1569]

You want to talk about style making the fight? Tyson was great at slipping the jab and making his opponent pay to the body, which in turn opened up the head. He was also excellent at sliding to the side to create new punching angles. Neither Klit has faced anyone who could remotely fight like that and both have proven to have difficulties when an opponent can force them back. Tyson is also fast enough to get off combos when he gets inside before getting tied up, and we both know neither brother can fight on the inside. Prime Tyson is a death sentence for Wlad and Vitaly's worst nightmare in my opinion.

I'm not even gonna get into Sanders. The guy failed EVERY TIME he stepped up to an A level fighter, except Wlad, and was knocked out by B level fighters. "Rocking" fighters means nothing, its who wins and how you perform against top comp that counts.

I love how you make it seem so easy that Tyson automatically gets inside.. then works the body & gets off shots to the head before the bros do anything to stop it. SO BASICALLY what you're saying is nothing intercepts Mighty Mike on his way to doing all of this... he ducks & slips the jab (he'd be the first one to do this in 106 Klitschko fights) Gets in unanswered body shots (he'd be the first one to do this in 106 fights) before he;s tied up or pushed back by 250 lbs of Klitschko muscle.. Interesting to say the least given how Mike couldn't slip inferior fighters with jabs in the Klitschko size bracket such as Bonecrusher Smith... Tucker.. Lewis... DOUGLAS.. he did slip Holmes jab.. so perhaps you have a point there.... NOT.

As for Sanders we'll agree to disagree. Sanders bio was journeyman like at best as i have no qualms with the results of his career but his talent & potential was way more than that.. He'll still be the ONLY one to ever ktfo a Klitschko & rock two Klitschko's for the price of one as that is something to write home about as 104 other fighters couldn't do what he did.

OH & BTW the bros have 2 weapons in both there arsenals to keep fighters on the outside... so this means they can be the worst inside fighters in the history of boxing but you'll never know as they have one hell of a powerful defensive shield around them...... kapish.

[jimmy1569]

Supreme athletes no doubt (as you would expect from professional sportsmen with PHD's in sports science).

Those physical advantages wouldn't be as telling against fighters with greater skill. Tyson admires the way they conduct themselves as much as anything. If he had their level of professionalism he may well have been untouchable. Where ever you believe Tyson belongs amongst the greats at heavyweight, neither of the brothers has his level of skill.

They stand on their own physically, but in terms of boxing ability they're quite some down the list.

Where do you guys think Vitali Klitschko learned how to box? He has more instinctive fighting ability & boxing know how than Mike ever had. He was trained to be a kickboxer first.. professional boxer second... he knows all the ins & outs of fighting with gloves on.. his reflexes are impeccable & his offensive arsenal second to none. There's a big REASON Vitali Klitschko HOLDS MANY heavyweight boxing records & if you think it's just because of his dimensions of 6ft 8 & 250 lbs... i'll ask all of you how many have performed & boxed at that size throughout the history of boxing?




The answer is in the higher hundreds & not one of them has come close to doing what he has done in a boxing ring. He has the highest offense to defense output in the entire history of heavyweight boxing.. IN OTHER WORDS.. he lands more punches on opponents than they do on him... the discrepancy in landed punches on him vs landed punches on his opposition is higher than any heavyweight boxer that's ever been remotely ranked. So don't talk to me about inferior boxing ability as Vitali Klitschko is the most dominant heavyweight that ever lived bar none... all the numbers prove this beyond a shadow of doubt.

[JAB5239]

I love how you make it seem so easy that Tyson automatically gets inside.. then works the body & gets off shots to the head before the bros do anything to stop it. SO BASICALLY what you're saying is nothing intercepts Mighty Mike on his way to doing all of this... he ducks & slips the jab (he'd be the first one to do this in 106 Klitschko fights) Gets in unanswered body shots (he'd be the first one to do this in 106 fights) before he;s tied up or pushed back by 250 lbs of Klitschko muscle.. Interesting to say the least given how Mike couldn't slip inferior fighters with jabs in the Klitschko size bracket such as Bonecrusher Smith... Tucker.. Lewis... DOUGLAS.. he did slip Holmes jab.. so perhaps you have a point there.... NOT.

As for Sanders we'll agree to disagree. Sanders bio was journeyman like at best as i have no qualms with the results of his career but his talent & potential was way more than that.. He'll still be the ONLY one to ever ktfo a Klitschko & rock two Klitschko's for the price of one as that is something to write home about as 104 other fighters couldn't do what he did.

OH & BTW the bros have 2 weapons in both there arsenals to keep fighters on the outside... so this means they can be the worst inside fighters in the history of boxing but you'll never know as they have one hell of a powerful defensive shield around them.

What's the biggest difference between the way the Klits fight and the way Tucker and Smith fought and is what allowed them to survive Tyson? Side to side movement. The Klits don't move side to side after jabbing. That means Tyson doesn't have to reset after slipping punches. I'm not saying he'll have an easy time of it, but he Brings things to the table neither brother has ever fought against. They on the other hand are ably to get away with certain flaws in their style because their comp sucks.