There's no arguement who beat the better ricky hatton is there?it was obviously Floyd

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Oh and WESS you ******, stop calling people Pinot and new to boxing and talk about the topic fool. When a man resorts to name calling and ****, you know he a boy who is lost. Talk about boxing pussay.

Anyway it is late here so I shall be back to slap you like a daughter who has been naughty.

[WESS]

Firstly i am not a Pinoy.

Secondly I have followed boxing mcn longer.

The only fools who thought Hatton would win in either were Brits and his fans.

24/7 made general fans think he would win. That's what the show is for.

If anyone understands boxing, then weight is freaking important. Weight is a key in boxing.

Sometimes a guy big and a bully in a lower weight simply can't do it going up. Other times, and only to HOF and ATG particularly, they aret affected so much, but still are.

PAC lost speed, and he usually is on the run now. He certainy is more wary of getting hit.

Floyd is a lot slower than 130, and throws a lot less.

Anyway, who can a man who looked pretty poor at 147, then even be said to be at his best when he was a champ at 140. Hatron's team said no more 147 soon after collazo. He refused to rematch collazo.

At 140 hatton may still have cherry picked, but it was his best weight. If anyone here even says 147 was hattons best weight then they simply love floyd too much.

Beating a shot Castillo is on top of the world now huh?

Couldn't have said it better. However a lot of idiots on here are thinking the argument is about what weight he is best at. Nobody is arguing that as he is best at 140. Just like Bradley is best at 140 yet Pac wants him at WW or like JMM being best at LW yet Floyd and Pac fought him at WW...

The question was, which version of Hatton was the best? VS Mayweather or VS Pac? People are bringing up weight and not looking at the fact that weight has nothing to do with it. Just like JMM has proven time and time again vs Pac.

The bottom line is that Hatton's mental state was gone. He was not undefeated. He was embarrassed by Floyd. He admitted to crying for weeks about losing. He fired his entire team and hired a coach that was not in his best interest. Hatton was done and Pac capitalized on this like he did vs Hoya and Mosley.

[WESS]

Oh and WESS you ******, stop calling people Pinot and new to boxing and talk about the topic fool. When a man resorts to name calling and ****, you know he a boy who is lost. Talk about boxing pussay.

Anyway it is late here so I shall be back to slap you like a daughter who has been naughty.

I forgive you as you are mistaken....

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Right and you keep bringing up 140 and 147 as if that had anything to do with WHY Mayweather fought the better version of Hatton....

Your 140 and 147 logic has failed... just review Pac vs JMM in 2004, 2008 and 2011.... weight has NOTHING to do with it.. NOW carry on troll and stop being such a flommo...

Says the Floyd fans that always brings up CW and other weight topics to bring down Manny ..... lol ..... you Floyd fans need to defend this one because Floyd has a bunch of them ..... that is, Floyd fighting guys who barely or never fought at 147.

As for Pac and Manny ..... I can help you out as there are many fighters who have gone up and beat opponents at higher weights BUT they need to prove they can before one can say, he can!

But I can bring up many fighters who tried to go up a division and wasn't the same fighter at the higher divisions.

Example Trinidad: Trinidad did well at 140, 147, 154 and to some he looked impressive in his debut at 160 against Joppy but that fight against Joppy, I realized that it wasn't the same Trinidad and that he would lose badly against Hopkins in his next fight.

The way you are discussing Hatton after one winning fight at 147 is similar in many ways to the Trinidad that won 1 fight at 160 and looked more impressive in his win than Hatton looked.

Still, was the version of Trinidad better at 160 against Hopkins or a Trinidad that should have gone back down to fight at 154 again (just an example) even after a loss?

I would pick Trinidad at 147-154 any day over 160 version! Why? You need to look at his resume for one ....

There are others and maybe I could find even better examples but it was just to state, Hatton didn't show his stuff at 147 he did it while he was at 140 ..... but you are trying to convince us otherwise because Floyd fought him first and undefeated ..... that is lame to the nth degree!

[WESS]

Says the Floyd fans that always brings up CW and other weight topics to bring down Manny ..... lol ..... you Floyd fans need to defend this one because Floyd has a bunch of them ..... that is, Floyd fighting guys who barely or never fought at 147.

As for Pac and Manny ..... I can help you out as there are many fighter who can go up and beat opponents at higher weights BUT they need to prove they can before one can say, he can!

But I can bring up many fighters who tried to go up division and wasn't the same fighter at the higher divisions.

Your talking to me as if I represent many people... You're taking your hatred out on me because of other "fans" have made you mad....

Keep on topic.

Weight has nothing to do with Hatton never being able to beat Mayweather or Pac. The bottom line is that Hatton was in a better state before fighting Mayweather. After that he went completely down hill and had no team. No confidence and openly admitted to crying for weeks because he lost. The dude was gone.

[PlayerKiller]

Like any boxing match I look at positive and negative.

Hatton vs floyd. He was confident. Never lost. Has a huge fan base come for him for support.

Negative, he didn't look too good at 147. Rocked by collazo.

Hatton VS PAC. Comfortable at 140 and had his title still. His lack of reach wasn't that different to PAC and pac's style is more suited to him than floyd.

Negative, he did get beat by floyd and rocked by lazcano.

Honestly, he was overrated in my eyes. The tread title said floyd had the better PAC. IMO the only reason was because he kept his zero. However it's close.

Oh and wess, cool, you corrected what you accused me of being. No problem with being pinoy or new to boxing, more fans the better really. Just I ain't one lol:

[WESS]

Like any boxing match I look at positive and negative.

Hatton vs floyd. He was confident. Never lost. Has a huge fan base come for him for support.

Negative, he didn't look too good at 147. Rocked by collazo.

Hatton VS PAC. Comfortable at 140 and had his title still. His lack of reach wasn't that different to PAC and pac's style is more suited to him than floyd.

Negative, he did get beat by floyd and rocked by lazcano.

Honestly, he was overrated in my eyes. The tread title said floyd had the better PAC. IMO the only reason was because he kept his zero. However it's close.

Oh and wess, cool, you corrected what you accused me of being. No problem with being pinoy or new to boxing, more fans the better really. Just I ain't one lol:

I owe you green....

[PlayerKiller]

I am not a Floyd fan, but loving your sig quotes lol.

I appreciate floyd as a boxer, very good. He is a great counter puncher, like I box to a crap standard and things are too fast, but floyd, man he has these big eyes that read your every move, and usually his body reacts to it as well.

He reminds me of neo in the matrix lol.

I am a PAC fan, more so from his past achievements: catch weight or not, I never thought he could go up to 147. He has done me proud as a fan and at one point, after Cotto I thought it was 50/50.

Now, I concede that PAC will lose to Mayweather. PAC relied on physical attributes more than skills, but pac still has skills, he isnt a brawler only, but floyd relied on skills but his body is also awesome. Unreal speed, timing and reflexes.

Adaptation is what gets you the win. PAC simply did not adapt to JMM, while Floyd adapted to say Judah. The Castillo fight was close but floyd was injured and in the rematch the boxer beat the brawler as usual.

Floyd should be P4P number one now. I don't like him, he is too arrogant for me, maybe because I grew up poor and respected money and people, but as a boxer, I have grown to be a fan of his rather than a hater because I liked manny.

People, you can like both.

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Your talking to me as if I represent many people... You're taking your hatred out on me because of other "fans" have made you mad....

Keep on topic.

Weight has nothing to do with Hatton never being able to beat Mayweather or Pac. The bottom line is that Hatton was in a better state before fighting Mayweather. After that he went completely down hill and had no team. No confidence and openly admitted to crying for weeks because he lost. The dude was gone.

At 140, Hatton was way more effective in fighting the way he did ...... against the bigger boys at 147, he realized that he would have a tough time doing it for 12 rounds ..... and like many have said before, it didn't help when the ref is not cooperating either.

Why else would you back down to 140 after the Collazo fight and then again after the Floyd fight? Think about that one! It's a no-brainer!

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Says the Floyd fans that always brings up CW and other weight topics to bring down Manny ..... lol ..... you Floyd fans need to defend this one because Floyd has a bunch of them ..... that is, Floyd fighting guys who barely or never fought at 147.

As for Pac and Manny ..... I can help you out as there are many fighters who have gone up and beat opponents at higher weights BUT they need to prove they can before one can say, he can!

But I can bring up many fighters who tried to go up a division and wasn't the same fighter at the higher divisions.

Example Trinidad: Trinidad did well at 140, 147, 154 and to some he looked impressive in his debut at 160 against Joppy but that fight against Joppy, I realized that it wasn't the same Trinidad and that he would lose badly against Hopkins in his next fight.

The way you are discussing Hatton after one winning fight at 147 is similar in many ways to the Trinidad that won 1 fight at 160 and looked more impressive in his win than Hatton looked.

Still, was the version of Trinidad better at 160 against Hopkins or a Trinidad that should have gone back down to fight at 154 again (just an example) even after a loss?

I would pick Trinidad at 147-154 any day over 160 version! Why? You need to look at his resume for one ....

There are others and maybe I could find even better examples but it was just to state, Hatton didn't show his stuff at 147 he did it while he was at 140 ..... but you are trying to convince us otherwise because Floyd fought him first and undefeated ..... that is lame to the nth degree!

Well the thing with Trinidad is 160 was his 4th weight class. Is it so wrong to think that maybe, JUST MAYBE, after 10 years of fighting at 140 that maybe the tubby English man needed to move up to 145lbs? Is that such a stretch to believe that?