Floyd Mayweather jr = Floyd Mayweather snr with better Management?

[DLT]

There is nothing very small about Floyd at WW. He cant possibly move down so that makes him a natural WW.

You can say all those things about Floyd when he moved up to 147 seven years ago but now Floyd is a legit natural WW. He is not a huge WW but he is a WW.

And Bro is same day weigh in, they are not gaining 15 pounds a couple hours before a fight. If rios was fighting back then, he would probably be a WW

again, I never said that. When I said 160, I was talking about them vs Junior. Meaning if it was a fight now they would be naturally alot bigger. That is the main point. Oscar, Tito, & Shane are all very good fighters but there is a reason why some on here think they would beat Floyd in there prime. Its mostly due to them being naturally bigger men. Again, even if Floyd wouldve beat Margarito back then, they wouldve said he was running.

Floyd has now grown into the weight as you say but dont tell me he is Leonard & Hearns. He's not. I dont care if its same day weigh-ins or what. He's just older & stronger. His body is filled out more but 150 is still 150 which is lesser then what Rios is at fight night. Its an advantage wether you want to admit it or not. If Floyd came into the ring at 160 then no one wouldve thought that Margarito had a chance in hell. The fact is that Floyd wouldve had to probably stick & move or run all night so even if he won people wouldve ripped that.

Again, you cant mismatch things. My point is the TS in his op was talking about Senior vs SRL and how Floyd wouldnt have had tough fights like that at his early age and how Floyd wouldnt have won if he did and my point was that Floyd did have some tough fights but they were at SFW. Later my point is that its bad enough to compare them WW for WW now but you can somewhat do it. However, its horrible to compare them to the Floyd of early WW years, let alone a young Floyd who was at SFW. It just doesnt matchup.

Doesnt matter. We can just agree to disagree

[MurkaMan]

Are both Mayweathers are similarly gifted but one's career was managed better by picking the right fights at the right time?

Mayweather snr fought in a era where there were 3 other elite fighters around his weight. Duran, Leonard and Hearns. Mayweather only fought SRL early in his career. Mayweather fought well, showing his great defense and speed, but Leonard stops him in 10.










Leonard has said that Mayweather snr was the greatest defensive fighter he has fought, high praise since he also fought Benitez.

Floyd snr was also beating by another top welter of the 80s, one trained by Roach, Marlon Starling.

Floyd snr took this fight early in his career, if he had the managemnt that Floyd jnr had it is likely this fight does not happen.

Floyd jnr does have a better work ethic but there skill set and physical attributes are on a similar level.

But where has Floyd snr took on the elite fighters of his era Floyd jnr has done everything he can do to avoid the elite fighter on his.

If Floyd jnr and snr swapped places, I could see that Floyd jr getting beat by the likes of Leonard and Starling and his career never really taking off. And Floyd snr's career flourishing with the right management, choosing the right fights at the right time as Floyd has done he would have remained unbeaten and be a big star like his son.

The way to beat Floyd snr, was to go to the body and take the fight to him pressure him, just as Floyd jnr is susceptible to. Leonard was also a big puncher and had great hand speed, just as Pacquiao has got.


Hard to see how Floyd jnr would have coped in the early 80s, he can just about get away with avoiding the Pacquiao fight, don't think the fans would have accepted Floyd avoiding fights with Leonard, Hearns and Duran.

Dont compare Floyd to his father mr jokster..LOL....Floyd has WAAAY better defense, and he reads his opponents minds, slowly getting them frustrated, gets them used to his right hand, then later on, in sequences they expect him to throw it, he throws a completely different punch...and he plays with you mentally...Its allot of great fighters, but Floyd's ability to manipulate his opponents in the ring, get in their minds, throw them off guard by throwing unpredictable punches, throwing them at unpredictable times, while ur thinking, he sees your thinking, and throws a fast one...you can only get hit..and he tricks you into making mistakes...Floyd Sr had great skills, but He isnt a people reader, or a guy who can act as a psychic ...This is what Makes Floyd unbeatable...no matter who you are, you have no choice but to fight his fight...no choice but to get frustrated, no choice but to NOT land, get frustrated, and unintentionally make it IMPOSSIBLE for him to NOT know your frustrated...he will play off of it, and slowly ruin you mentally...Marquez said it was torture fighting Floyd, and humiliating...Floyd Sr was out of shape against SRL, And Floyd is NEVER out of shape, and even if Sr is IN shape, he wouldnt be able to compete with Jr IN shape...Jr is an Android from the future, and this is why no one can beat him..His father was a great fighter, but as the proof shows, he is very much beatable...he did not have what it took Im afraid

[Rip Chudd]

Wow, this thread fails on so many levels.

[Boxingtech718v2]

You're very disrespectful, Sr has never been as good as his son.
I would even argue that Sr had the greater physical gifts, height, power, and durability than his son.
Jr. is better defensively, faster, and has better reflexes.
Though I will admit that Sr. faced the far better opposition.

[GoogleMe]

I agree Jnr is the better defensive mind, and the better athlete.

[Kagami Taiga]

was this some kinda thread made to discredit floyd jr???smh, pathetic. while we are at it, why not compare chavez jr to chavez sr??

[D4thincarnation]

was this some kinda thread made to discredit floyd jr???smh, pathetic. while we are at it, why not compare chavez jr to chavez sr??

Chavez jr, fights like his dad but lacks the aggression, natural force, speed, tenacity, heavy handiness.

Just look how Floyd snr fights the similarities are undeniable.

[1dcsailor]

This thread was sick and terrible joke.

[I Love Jesus!]

Mayweather jr couldn't beat Leonard in my opinion but sugar ray was a real 147 pounder and mayweather is not.

[Biolink]

Mayweather jr couldn't beat Leonard in my opinion but sugar ray was a real 147 pounder and mayweather is not.

What constitutes real WW? I highly doubt Floyd could make 140 anymore(Healthily).

This Floyd is a legit WW. He walks around in the low 150s. I'd agree if you said 2007 Floyd who fought Ricky Hatton.