Floyd Mayweather jr = Floyd Mayweather snr with better Management?

[D4thincarnation]

Roger is a better fighter than SR and actually won titles.

Sr never had a title. You cant compare him to floyd. Which would have a title at least at one point in his career, in any era.

It's not like SR was never given Opportunities- he just failed at them.

Mayweather Sr., speaking with ********boxing.com’s On the Ropes Boxing Radio Program, said “His uncle Roger never taught him s***. His daddy taught him everything. His uncle Roger ain’t taught him s***, and he knows nothing about defense. He learned everything from his daddy, and like I said before I trained him when he was a little kid when he won the first national tournament…the defense that he uses is the defense that I taught him -the shoulder roll. Roger didn’t teach him that. Roger didn’t ever fight like that.”

Floyd Sr. is right. He trained Mayweather Jr. long before Roger did and only was replaced after going away to prison for a third year stretch. Mayweather Jr. continued to fight exactly how he was taught by his father and continues to this day. If you watch Roger’s old fights when he was fighting professionally, he was a pure right hand slugger with little defensive skills compared to Floyd Sr. He was easy to hit and didn’t have the same upper body movements that Floyd Sr. used. Roger didn’t throw a check left hook. That was Floyd Sr. He had an excellent short left hook that he threw with a lot of power, and used defensive moves that Floyd Jr. mimics to this day. However, both Floyd Sr. and Roger where much bigger punchers than Mayweather Jr., especially Roger. He could really punch with his right hand. If he had better defensive skills he would have been a great one. But as far as who was the one that made Mayweather Jr. what he is today, I think hands down it’s Mayweather Sr. that taught him pretty much everything he knows.

Snr has claimed he taught Roger and Jeff too

[Russian Crushin]

Im talkin about vs Floyd Jr.

What is your dumbass ranting about? At the end he started comparing Jr. to fighting SRL and the other big names of that era.

You can compare Jr. to any WW but its not truly a fair comparison. I use to say it all the time. Iditos like Manny Steward in every Floyd fight says how he wouldnt stack up to SRL & Hearns. You can clearly tell he is speaking of head to head in a fight. Alot of guys on here post threads like that. It doesnt make sense. If you want to compare them then do it in a P4P sense. SRL at WW is equal to Floyd at SFW.

The TS was also talking about age. He was talking about fighting guys at a young age and I was saying at that age Jr. was a SFW. I always use to say that if you wanna compare Floyd at WW then atleast wait a few years until he grows into the weight. That time has now come but he's still only 150 in the ring where those guys would easily be over 160 pounds even if you are dumb enough not to believe that.

Senior himself talks non stop about how small Junior is. You can tell that he thinks that Junior is clearly a better fighter then himself but that he may have won because he is naturally a much bigger guy, e****ally if you are comparing them age for age like the TS was

Im talking about vs Floyd Jr.

It is a perfectly accurate comparison. First of all FLoyd has been fighting at WW for 7 years now, and you're trying to tell me he hasnt grown into a WW yet?

And like i said when Leonard fought Hearns I, Duran I & II and Benitez, he fought them at 147 with same day weigh ins. They were not weighing in at 160 and were exactly where Floyd is at during the fight around 150ish, maybe even less!!. So its actually the perfect comparison.

So based on your natural weight theory, you do not compare Holyfield to other great HWs because its not his natural weight, correct?

And im not sure what this age to age comparison you're talking about, i saw nothing about that in the OP

[pac2]

Sr has one type of defense he only uses the shoulder roll and not effective at that . Jr doesn't if a guy has great speed and is a right handed fighter he uses both a high guard and the shoulder roll but the most important thing is jr. knows when to use them to take away an opponents strength's.

Jr. is not gonna just stand their like sr. did and get hit him the same punch over and over the right hand and not make any adjustments.

Sr hardley threw any right hands he could have hit leonard alot he's a sucker for a right hand, sr doesn't jab to the body well.

Sr didn't counter off the shoulder roll, Sr. doesn't seem to be a great inside fighter, doesn't make adjustments, not smarter has only one type of defense i could go on and on.

Sr isn't better at anything than jr they are different fighter's just because you do something similar doesn't mean much.

Sr is not walking an opponent down Jr can do that if needed. It just depends on what the other fighter's strenght's are. Once jr knows a fighter's strengths he has a gameplan that will help him win the fight, every fighter he faces is different and have different strengths and weaknesses so that why jr doesn't fight the same way ever fight. It's called versatility Sr. doesn't have that like jr.

Jr is 1000x better than Sr. that's why he doesn't need him in his corner to train him to win fights. He's better at everything and Jr has one of the highest ring iq's of all time he's brillant in the ring at being able to think quick under pressure he might see something and set a plan of attack off of what he saw in an instant making adjustments on the fly.

You can't do anything more than a couple of times vs a brillant thinking fighter they will see it as a habit and capitalize on it most fighter's don't have that gift. Two of the smartest that i can think of off the top of my head are Jr. and Donaire very smart fighter's. What do you think Mayweather was talking about when in the face off vs ortiz he kept on saying " You make any mistakes you have to pay" over and over it's a gift of seeing something as a habit and making the opponent pay for it alot of fighter's don't have that.

Don't compare jr.and Sr. Jr is lightyears better. Jr. won a title without a trainer Jr. doesn't even really need a trainer thats how well he understands boxing. It was vs baldamoir i think i mean Baldamoir or however you spell it isn't the greatest but the guy was good enough to be champion in that division but Jr. beat him with no trainer,i think roger was in jail jr. really trains himself anyway.Jr is gifted and a great fighter.

[Atreyu Khalil]

Roger Mayweather > Floyd Sr

Floyd Jr > Both of them

[Atreyu Khalil]

Sr has one type of defense he only uses the shoulder roll and not effective at that . Jr doesn't if a guy has great speed and is a right handed fighter he uses both a high guard and the shoulder roll but the most important thing is jr. knows when to use them to take away an opponents strength's.

Jr. is not gonna just stand their like sr. did and get hit him the same punch over and over the right hand and not make any adjustments.

Sr hardley threw any right hands he could have hit leonard alot he a sucker for a right hand, sr doesn't jab to the body well.

Sr didn't counter off the shoulder roll, Sr. doesn't seem to be a great inside fighter, doesn't make adjustments, not smarter has only one type of defense i could go on and on.

Sr isn't better at anything than jr they are different fighter's just because you do something similar doesn't mean much.

Sr is not walking an opponent down Jr can do that if needed. It just depends on what the other fighter's strenght's are. Once jr knows a fighter's strenghts he has a gameplan that will help him win the fight, every fighter he faces is different and have different strenghts and weaknesses so that why jr doesn't fight the same way ever fight. It's called versatility Sr. doesn't have that like jr.

Jr is 1000x better than Sr. that's why he doesn't need him in his corner to train him to win fights. He's better at everything and Jr has one of the highest ring iq's of all time he's brillant in the ring at being able to think quick under pressure he might see something and set a plan of attack off of what he saw in an instant making adjustments on the fly.

You can't do anything more than a couple of times vs a brillant thinking fighter they will see it as a habit and capitalize on it most fighter's don't have that gift. Two of the smartest that i can think of off the top of my head are Jr. and Donaire very smart fighter's. What do you think Mayweather was talking about when in the face off vs ortiz he kept on saying " You make any mistakes you have to pay" over and over it's a gift of sseing something as a habit and making the opponent pay for it alot of fighter's don't have that.

Don't compare jr.and Sr. Jr is lightyears better. Jr. won a title without a trainer Jr. doesn't even really need a trainer thats how well he understands boxing. It was vs baldamoir i think i mean Baldamoir or however you spell it isn't the greatest but the guy was good enough to be champion in that division but Jr. beat him with no trainer,i think roger was in jail jr. really trains himself anyway.Jr is gifted and a great fighter.

[DLT]

It is a perfectly accurate comparison. First of all FLoyd has been fighting at WW for 7 years now, and you're trying to tell me he hasnt grown into a WW yet?

And like i said when Leonard fought Hearns I, Duran I & II and Benitez, he fought them at 147 with same day weigh ins. They were not weighing in at 160 and were exactly where Floyd is at during the fight around 150ish, maybe even less!!. So its actually the perfect comparison.

So based on your natural weight theory, you do not compare Holyfield to other great HWs because its not his natural weight, correct?

And im not sure what this age to age comparison you're talking about, i saw nothing about that in the OP

Holyfield is one weight under heavy. Jr is in his 4th division. I think with Jr you go from 130-140. After that you can still compare him because he's that good but the weight starts playing a huge factor because he is just so small.

Im not a *****. I have always said that I think Floyd hurt his career in alot of ways by moving up so quickly and that he did kinda stay away from guys like Margarito at the time. Floyd at LW came into the ring at 138 pounds, at SLW he came in at 142, and at WW until JMM he came in at 146-148.

He couldve stayed a LW & SLW alot longer. He couldve fought JMM, MAB, EM, etc.. and his resume wouldve looked even better. None of those guys wouldve beat him. I think they truly passed on Margarito because they felt Floyd was too small.

I think they felt Floyd wouldve won but he couldve lost and they wouldve killed themself if the let Floyd lose to someone so inferior just because Floyd was too small to keep him off. Floyd is 10x better than Margarito. Its not even a comparison. People only think he could win because he could overwhelm Floyd.

If Floyd was a natural WW at the time then it wouldnt have been a contest. Fast forward to now. Floyd is more natural. Still a very small WW but you can tell he's way more comfortable at the weight and is stronger. If you put this Floyd back in his early WW era then there is no way he would be worried about fighting Margarito or Cotto but he wasnt that guy back then. He was smaller and didnt have the strength.

Now when you talk about SRL & Hearns, you are talking about the best of the best. Floyd can compete with them way better now then he couldve at the begining of his WW career but they are still a good size bigger and its there 1st weight class. Its like if Nonito dominates up to 130 and then people say that he wouldnt beat Floyd at 130. He's not really suppose to. I could understand it if Nonito was at 130 and coming into the ring at 140 while looking mad strong but that wouldnt be the case.

Also, just because its same day weigh-ins doesnt make them 150 or even less as you say. I think alot of you dont realize how quickly big guys can put on weight. You trying to tell me that Rios wouldnt put on any weight on a same day weigh-in? Come on now. They were still bigger than Floyd. Just look at them. You can easily see it

[Atreyu Khalil]

Snr has claimed he taught Roger and Jeff too

Archie Manning taught Peyton and Eli.....Archie isn't a better QB than either of them

[Ryn0]

Floyd Jr, is by far the better athlete, better fighter and most importantly smarter fighter as oppose to his dad.

They have a similar style but Sr, doesn't have the athleticism or brain to do half the things that Floyd does

[Russian Crushin]

Holyfield is one weight under heavy. Jr is in his 4th division. I think with Jr you go from 130-140. After that you can still compare him because he's that good but the weight starts playing a huge factor because he is just so small.

Im not a *****. I have always said that I think Floyd hurt his career in alot of ways by moving up so quickly and that he did kinda stay away from guys like Margarito at the time. Floyd at LW came into the ring at 138 pounds, at SLW he came in at 142, and at WW until JMM he came in at 146-148.

He couldve stayed a LW & SLW alot longer. He couldve fought JMM, MAB, EM, etc.. and his resume wouldve looked even better. None of those guys wouldve beat him. I think they truly passed on Margarito because they felt Floyd was too small.

I think they felt Floyd wouldve won but he couldve lost and they wouldve killed themself if the let Floyd lose to someone so inferior just because Floyd was too small to keep him off. Floyd is 10x better than Margarito. Its not even a comparison. People only think he could win because he could overwhelm Floyd.

If Floyd was a natural WW at the time then it wouldnt have been a contest. Fast forward to now. Floyd is more natural. Still a very small WW but you can tell he's way more comfortable at the weight and is stronger. If you put this Floyd back in his early WW era then there is no way he would be worried about fighting Margarito or Cotto but he wasnt that guy back then. He was smaller and didnt have the strength.

Now when you talk about SRL & Hearns, you are talking about the best of the best. Floyd can compete with them way better now then he couldve at the begining of his WW career but they are still a good size bigger and its there 1st weight class. Its like if Nonito dominates up to 130 and then people say that he wouldnt beat Floyd at 130. He's not really suppose to. I could understand it if Nonito was at 130 and coming into the ring at 140 while looking mad strong but that wouldnt be the case.

Also, just because its same day weigh-ins doesnt make them 150 or even less as you say. I think alot of you dont realize how quickly big guys can put on weight. You trying to tell me that Rios wouldnt put on any weight on a same day weigh-in? Come on now. They were still bigger than Floyd. Just look at them. You can easily see it

There is nothing very small about Floyd at WW. He cant possibly move down so that makes him a natural WW.

You can say all those things about Floyd when he moved up to 147 seven years ago but now Floyd is a legit natural WW. He is not a huge WW but he is a WW.

And Bro is same day weigh in, they are not gaining 15 pounds a couple hours before a fight. If rios was fighting back then, he would probably be a WW

[4Corners]

Same schooling and similar fight styles, but Floyd Jr is more physically gifted and a better fighter, BY FAR.