Comments Thread For: Mike Tyson Reveals His Strategy To Defeat a Klitschko

[jimmy1569]

well just a quibble here ... Its unfair to say stuff like that - byrd is 1-0 versus Vitali. Vitali chose not to rematch him, how does Wlad then proceeding to beat Byrd say anything about Vitali? The same in reverse goes for Sanders and Wlad. Sanders is 1-0 v Wlad. How is vitali beating sanders any comment on wlad?

Its like combining say Baer and Louis into one fighter and saying Jim Braddock doesn't have a winning percentage against my baer/Louis conglomerate thus Baer is obviously greater than Braddock. It doesn't make sense.

so "only lennox Lewis has a winning percentage of greater than .500 vs A klitschko" is incorrect.

and since you're fond of percentages heres some indisputable ones for you ...

Byrd has a winning (100%) record against A Klitschko (Vitali)

Lewis has a winning (100%) record against A Klitschko (Vitali)

Sanders has a winning (100%) record against A Klitschko (Wlad)

Puritty has a winning (100%) record against A Klitschko (Wlad)

you can reply saying 'I meant versus the klit brothers' or whatever but as I said that is no different to the baer Louis uber fighter I mentioned above and says nothing about the individual fighters.

I see you got plenty of jokes.. son. The brother's work in unison... they have all the belts.. this means THE KLITSCHKO'S ARE UNDISPUTED.. I was giving Klitschko facts there.. obviously but thanks for asking... guess how many rds combined those 4 won while they officially beat an "individual" Klitschko & therefore wound up with a winning% & NO REMATCH CLAUSE? that's right 4 or 5 rds tops.. SO i wouldn't brag about there 100% winning % & Sanders & Byrd WERE immediately revenged by the other bro with no fights in between. Nothing in my previous post was erroneous. I COULD'VE STATED the Klitschko's as opposed to A Klitschko BUT that also could be used in a plural sense.. so there's no foul there.

[jimmy1569]

My point is, if mediocre, British level fighters that lose to Tyson Fury and 40 year old retired cruiser weights can get past the "brothers" amazing jabs, then a fighter that is known as one of the most elusive boxers ever (not even just at heavyweight) would easily bob, weave and slip past the lumbering fools and whip his lightning combinations all over their faces.

Ok, Holmes was older when he fought Mike, but the same even older Holmes went on to beat Mercer and push McCall and Holyfield. He suposedly had the best jab ever and Mike slipped through that and nailed Holmes easy enough.

I also get fed up of all this **** about either Vitali or Lennox having only 2 weeks notice, they were both scheduled to fight on the show anyway, just not against each other. What I will say is that with Vitali being the younger man, it should have been easier for him to make any adjustments. When it mattered he failed. Imagine if that was the Lewis that was preparing for Golota! The way Vitali floundered around with the whites of his eyes showing for the first couple of rounds against Sanders, makes me believe hed **** himself against Lewis.

Dude.. seriously... this entire post of yours is laughable.. comparing fighters to other fighters & trying to make it stick like a permanent jab to the face. Let's really compare a past his prime Holmes coming out of two year retirement to face an absolute Iron Mike in his prime to a KLITSCHKO with a prime jab That back it up with way more POWER THAN HOLMES ever had at any time of his career.. JAB IS penetrable when someone knows there's no power to back it up.. he went through Holmes like a knife through butter... No one till this day has gotten through a Klitschko jab without paying a price for it.. even Sanders... the ONLY one to ever go through a Klitschko without resistance didn't even feel Wlad's jab as he was a southpaw who used deceptive speed to just plow through Wlad who never even got to set up his jab.

As for Vitali being a deer in headlights vs Sanders.. yes Sanders counter left in the very first stanza woke him up but he adjusted later on & got used to timing when Sanders was going to mount his deceptive attacks & proceeded to give him a drunken sailor beatdown for the ages for phocking with the little bro. That victory if it was publicized properly instead of trashing Sanders as part time golfer was one of the most inspirational boxing matches in boxing history where a brother comes & defends the Klitschko family name.



I think the Sanders fight was Vitali's defining moment & NOT the Lewis encounter. He showed what he was made of in that fight.. any other fighter including his bro would've been steamrolled with the shots Sanders landed on Vitali.... the fact that you mention Golota's demeanor & confuse it with Vitali's shows what a joke you are & how pathetic your post is. In case you're wondering... look at Vitali right before he ACTUALLY did face Lewis in my MUGSHOT.. does he look like a fighter who his shetting his pants WHEN about to face him.. you think a prime Lewis would've had him doing a Golota? PLEASE go back to the drawing board as i'm actually embarassed that i even addressed that hater crap post of yours.

[polarcub]

I always felt KBro fans should be a lot more irritated and annoyed that the vast majority of boxing fans think a prime tyson can punch holes through both then any Lennox Lewis debates.

I mean Lennox is one of the top 3 super heavyweights ever (alongside the KBROS) in whatever order that you like. So those matchups should be 50 50 at the very least, I tend to give the edge to Lennox on his sheer athletic and boxing skills, along with his mean streak.

Prime Tyson is what any Klithscko fan should be angry about. The fact that so many boxing fans think a 5'11 220 guy can just walk down either kbro with a uppercut in the first 1-3 Rounds is what makes little sense.

[Mr. Invincible]

Vitali Klithscko admits himself Prime Lennox Lewis will be favorite against him.


I will find links to this. Vitali could have just been polite, but Vitali usually tells the truth.
Now Vitali never said he will lose against Prime Lewis but everyone with a ****ing IQ over 10 when it comes to boxing can see that wasn't a prime lennox and that was a fat old faded lewis,

That Lennox was every bit as good as he ever was. It's typical supporter nonsense to believe he was all fat and over the hill. His previous two wins were arguably his best. Don't give us that garbage.

[The Big Dunn]

Oh// so you weren't kidding. so all 44 other names that he's faced according to you are either bums or can related.. interesting to say the least... you do realize that these b class & above fighters he faced fared not much better in the judges eyes when it came to winning rds as the Not so 'stellar' opposition you claim he faced otherwise... Only difference really is they lucked out & got bailed by a Klitschko handicap that occurred during the bout.. If i'm confident of beating someone & confident in my overall boxing skills.. do i just go & win ONLY 3 rds out of a 15 rd scrimmage?


Where i come from.. that's oldschool.. meaning you've just lost a unanimous decision to Klitschko.. but unfortunately boxing rules state that when you're injured & are not allowed to continue the completion of a bout you're handily winning.. it counts as a loss & in this case it counted as two..



One thing you might be right on though in your boxing analogy is that the two best fighters he ever faced.. byrd & lewis.. right? They did fare slightly better against Klitschko than the 44 bums he did beat.. 44 bums he beat with a 95% scorecard ratio... 2 excellent fighters or the only a/b plus fighters according to you that he ever faced.. he ONLY had an 80% scorecard ratio vs them.. so you are correct sir... my apologies for not recognizing how Klitschko fares against long reigning titlists with some assemblance of game.

So if I'm ahead at halftime I win the whole game? Vitali's competition, without Lewis and Byrd is almost Butterbean-esque. He should be 44-0 with a 95%ko rate against them.

[polarcub]

Nah the KBRO fans got a unreal hatred for Lennox that makes little sense.


@this invincible guy dude you sound really god damn ignorant right now and that pisses me off.

You seriously said lennox was as good as he ever was against vitali? are you insane.

He was 257 pounds man. He was old faded and lazy as hell. He had zero motivation. Look at the time vitali is a ****ing nobody ok. Vitali is a semi somebody now but AT THE TIME he was a literal nobody, just some tall dude who lennox don't even know. So lennox did not train and it would have been a Rahman again, except .... it wasn't.. Rahman knocked lennox out, vitali didn't.


If you seriously think a prime lennox lewis can't take out any version of either Kbros, you are out of your god damn mind.

Prime Lennox would have landed 4 times as many jabs, that upper cut he landed on vitali? If that was Prime Lennox vitali hits the ground. Even that old lewis still got vitai wobbling like hell at the end of the fight and hanging on.

ALSO WHY CAN'T VITALI KNOCK LENNOX OUT

WHY CAN'T VITALI KNOCK LENNOX OUT..

WHY CAN'T VITALI KNOCK LENNOX OUT?? HE HAD 6 ROUNDS

6 ROUNDS NO KNOCK OUT. lennox at one time ate like 4 straight punches to the face from vitali and just smiled. Explain how young vitali can't knock out fat old lennox ?

[polarcub]

God damn some of you Klitscho fans are ******ed as hell and living in a imaginary ****ing planet if you guys think that was a PRIME LENNOX still.

AND YA 39 year old lennox should ****ing fight prime vitali again after a tko

just to make vitali's fans happy. ya that makes real sense you mongrols.

[Mr. Invincible]

why do idiots keep saying vitali was fighting with one hand? He was fighting with a hurt hand, but still had the use of it, there is a massive difference. He was not 100% but exagerating like that just makes me, and I'd imagine any sensible person stop reading the rest of your post as it is obviously just gonna be biased, nuthugging, crap.


Fighting with one hand = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY1jzjTjIhY

First off, it was his shoulder that was injured. Not his hand. Trying to hook and throw an authoritative jab with a torn rotator cuff is near impossible. Based on this, while Vitali was certainly not one handed, he was greatly hindered in the fight and could have put up a far superior performance to the one he displayed. Anyone who watched the fight understood that it was not a Vitali kind of fight. He simply didn't use the left hand the way he usually does. That's his money maker.

[polarcub]

Also stfu about this bull**** with how Vitali is fighting at 40


VITALI TOOK 4 YEARS OFF. So his body is 36, also he and wlad fought a huge line of trash cans. The only major punishment Vitali took was from Lennox, Lennox fought a murderous line of dangerous punchers and took a lot more damage then either kbros combined throughout his career.

He don't owe vitali a rematch, who the **** is the kbros compare to lennox lewis? It takes

TWO KLITHSCKOS to do what ONE Lewis did by himself.

So using math from Klitschko land

Two Klithsckos= One Lewis

[jimmy1569]

Fact #6.... GET this through your head.. haters.. Vitali faced Lennox Lewis....he did NOT face LL's half brother or step cousin.. he fought vs Lennox Lewis.. the same exact Lewis who fought eveyone else & dominated them for the most part... let's STOP pretending there was a different Lennox Lewis to be had... if you guys/haters seriously didn't think LL stunk up the joint & got schooled by VITALI..you wouldn't scramble & make up excuses for the version of LL that did show up on that night. You make it so that Lennox was completely out of shape & way past his prime to the point where it can be deemed as an injury excuse as if Lennox wasn't operating at 100% capacity. How can one go from compl,etely dominating & destroying two former champions in a row in RAHMAN & Tyson.. looking better than ever to being a retiree one bout later? It doesn't make any logical sense.. OPPOSITION has alot to do with it... LOOK AT how dominant Vitali looked against Adamek but only human vs Chisora one bout later. Vitali is 3 or 4 years older now than Lennox was when he faced Vitali. If anyone should be out the door.. it's Vitali... the difference between Vitali & everyone else is when he uses the injury excuse & NOT being 100% physically healthy during a bout.. his opposition is LOSING the bout regardless & NOT winning more than two rds.. when Vitali performs less than stellar... he shouldn't even be apologizing for his performance... therein lies the difference.. plus the fact he's always come into his fights in 100% physical condition.. NO EXCEPTIONS.. therein lies the difference between Lennox Lewis & Vitali KLITSCHKO!