Comments Thread For: Mike Tyson Reveals His Strategy To Defeat a Klitschko

[The Big Dunn]

Son.. your joke is so simplistic that it actually drew a half smile out of me...... now be gone.

Jokes. Jimmy what I posted is the truth. Byrd is a B level HWT. Lennox is an A+. Vitali hasn't faced another opponent on this level. Credit for him KOing all the bums. A lot of guys don't even do that.

[jimmy1569]

Fact #4 which is astounding to say the least.. a Klitschko has NEVER TRAILED in the scorecards past the second rd.. ONLY cORRIE sANDERS can state he was beating a Klitschko on the scorecards after 2 rds.

We're talking 106 times the brothers have fought & NOT one time an opponent of there's can say they were up 2 to 1 or HAVE any type of lead after 3 rds were in the books all the way to the 12th rd. B tw.. the brothers have faced a record 106 different kinds of tomatoe cans.... as that's the ONLY possible explanation for this.

[jimmy1569]

Jokes. Jimmy what I posted is the truth. Byrd is a B level HWT. Lennox is an A+. Vitali hasn't faced another opponent on this level. Credit for him KOing all the bums. A lot of guys don't even do that.

Oh// so you weren't kidding. so all 44 other names that he's faced according to you are either bums or can related.. interesting to say the least... you do realize that these b class & above fighters he faced fared not much better in the judges eyes when it came to winning rds as the Not so 'stellar' opposition you claim he faced otherwise... Only difference really is they lucked out & got bailed by a Klitschko handicap that occurred during the bout.. If i'm confident of beating someone & confident in my overall boxing skills.. do i just go & win ONLY 3 rds out of a 15 rd scrimmage?


Where i come from.. that's oldschool.. meaning you've just lost a unanimous decision to Klitschko.. but unfortunately boxing rules state that when you're injured & are not allowed to continue the completion of a bout you're handily winning.. it counts as a loss & in this case it counted as two..



One thing you might be right on though in your boxing analogy is that the two best fighters he ever faced.. byrd & lewis.. right? They did fare slightly better against Klitschko than the 44 bums he did beat.. 44 bums he beat with a 95% scorecard ratio... 2 excellent fighters or the only a/b plus fighters according to you that he ever faced.. he ONLY had an 80% scorecard ratio vs them.. so you are correct sir... my apologies for not recognizing how Klitschko fares against long reigning titlists with some assemblance of game.

[jimmy1569]

Fact #5... Vitali Klitschko & Lennox Lewis despite public opinion that Vitali has faced way inferior opposition have faced EXACTLY the same 82% opposition winning percentage of there opponents records at the time they fought them. Vitali has had 2 more career bouts than Lennox had... i added up up every fighter they've ever faced & came up with the 82% winning % at the time the bouts took place.. Now according to these findings.. the haters will have you belive that Lewis' opposition despite having the SAME exact record as Vitali' oppostion was Much more difficult to beat because of the names involved.

What that suggests to me is YOUR opinion.. it's NOT factual.... 82% is FACTUAL... lennox facing the better comp is opinionated.. Both lennox & Vitali had the same EXACT ODDS IN COMING UP WITH THE W & IN FACT BOTH GOT the same amount of W'S.. LL losing twice on two punches & Vitali losing twice on injuries.... these are facts that no one can deny no matter how biased one is.

[Mr. Invincible]

One dimensional he was, but Frazier was tailor made for him, there's no way any swarmer can beat Foreman. Frazier was not at his his best then, he was a bit over weigh and slightly past it, but even than I doubt there being a different result. Neither klitschko fights like Foreman, Vitali doesn't hit close to as hard as Foreman and Wladamir don't have the chin. Those two are probably the most important attributes foreman had when crushing Frazier. Look back at that first fight and count how many left hooks foreman ate! Geee if it was anyone else surely they would have been floored and badly hurt. Frazier is smaller than chisora, but I think thats an advantage for him. Chisora is quite a large target, and he was fighting small like Frazier. Frazier would have been much more difficult to hit and also you would not have been able to see his hooks coming from a mile off unlike chisora. chisora doesn't have much power either, I'd say Frazier could hit harder especially from his left. Vitali is past it I admit, in his prime he would have beaten chisora more convincingly yeah and the injury didn't help either, but I still think just with the sort of pace Frazier pushes would have tired Vitali down and win a UD.

It would be impossible for smallish Frazier to have lasted 12 rounds with any version of Vitali, sorry. The current Wlad would put him in a coma too. You saw what Ali's punches did to him. Wlad's shots would be so much harder. Oh, and I don't agree on Foreman being that much of a better puncher than Vitali. During his prime, Vitali was a very big puncher as well and still has good power today. He just doesn't lean in on every shot to make himself vulnerable to counters like he used to.

[Sweet Pea 50]

jimmy vs. Jab.

Round 8 billion.

[Mr. Invincible]

Vitali fought better against Lewis than Tyson?

Old Tyson lasted 2 rounds longer than a prime Vitali...

Looking at how easy Chisora and Mormeck got inside, I cant see either lasting long with Tyson. Who have either of the brothers fought that could compete with Holmes, Tyson or Lewis? Are we supposed to ignore all their losses and pretend they didnt happen? The only reason Wlad has had an extended run is he is fighting cruiserweights...

Mormeck got inside, got tied up and stood there because he would have gotten clobbered earlier had he opened up. Chisora punched while tied up and only managed to make it inside because Vitali was injured from the 2nd rd on.

So, what's your point?

[Mr. Invincible]

I agree 100% with the guy who wrote that athletes evolve.

BUT only up to the 90's era. LIKE BOXERS have been steadily evolving in athletic abilities up to the lennox lewis era, after that it's actually a massive regression. Like holy **** it's a huge regression.

Compare the bodies of a prime Rid**** Bowe with a prime Chris Areeloa or a Samuel PETER.

The only two boxers that have 'evolved' are the Kbros. And if you look at the overall body of Wlad and Vitali they don't look anywhere near as powerful as Lennox did. Go watch Lennox vs Tommy Morrison or Lennox vs Tua. Go watch Rid**** Bowe vs Evander Holyfield. These guys look like god damn animals. Like Seriously the evolution pattern is clear in looking at Sonny Liston up to lennox Lewis, but after lewis I dont see a god damn thing happening with this evolution theory of athletes when it relates to boxing.

Sonny liston looked like one mean mother***er >>>>>evolves into >>>>Lennox Lewis looking like the god damn predator on crack>>>>>> evolves into Chris the nightmare Arreola.

Huh? Wlad looks like the incredible hulk compared to Lennox. All 3 are in good shape but there's no dis*****g that Wlad has the best physique. None whatsoever. Oh and for the record, the average top ten ranked heavyweight is about 3 inches taller and 20 lbs heavier than in the times of Tyson, Holyfield and Lewis. Evolution has taken some toll on the heavies whether you realize it or not. Briggs was 40+ lbs heavier when he faced Vitali as opposed to Lennox.

[Daddy T]

Klitschko fact #2... only Lennox Lewis has a winning percentage of greater than .500 vs a Klitschko...

well just a quibble here ... Its unfair to say stuff like that - byrd is 1-0 versus Vitali. Vitali chose not to rematch him, how does Wlad then proceeding to beat Byrd say anything about Vitali? The same in reverse goes for Sanders and Wlad. Sanders is 1-0 v Wlad. How is vitali beating sanders any comment on wlad?

Its like combining say Baer and Louis into one fighter and saying Jim Braddock doesn't have a winning percentage against my baer/Louis conglomerate thus Baer is obviously greater than Braddock. It doesn't make sense.

so "only lennox Lewis has a winning percentage of greater than .500 vs A klitschko" is incorrect.

and since you're fond of percentages heres some indisputable ones for you ...

Byrd has a winning (100%) record against A Klitschko (Vitali)

Lewis has a winning (100%) record against A Klitschko (Vitali)

Sanders has a winning (100%) record against A Klitschko (Wlad)

Puritty has a winning (100%) record against A Klitschko (Wlad)

you can reply saying 'I meant versus the klit brothers' or whatever but as I said that is no different to the baer Louis uber fighter I mentioned above and says nothing about the individual fighters.

[rossle]

Mormeck got inside, got tied up and stood there because he would have gotten clobbered earlier had he opened up. Chisora punched while tied up and only managed to make it inside because Vitali was injured from the 2nd rd on.

So, what's your point?

My point is, if mediocre, British level fighters that lose to Tyson Fury and 40 year old retired cruiser weights can get past the "brothers" amazing jabs, then a fighter that is known as one of the most elusive boxers ever (not even just at heavyweight) would easily bob, weave and slip past the lumbering fools and whip his lightning combinations all over their faces.

Ok, Holmes was older when he fought Mike, but the same even older Holmes went on to beat Mercer and push McCall and Holyfield. He suposedly had the best jab ever and Mike slipped through that and nailed Holmes easy enough.

I also get fed up of all this **** about either Vitali or Lennox having only 2 weeks notice, they were both scheduled to fight on the show anyway, just not against each other. What I will say is that with Vitali being the younger man, it should have been easier for him to make any adjustments. When it mattered he failed. Imagine if that was the Lewis that was preparing for Golota! The way Vitali floundered around with the whites of his eyes showing for the first couple of rounds against Sanders, makes me believe hed **** himself against Lewis.