Will Wlad break Joe Louis's 25 title defenses?

[edgarg]

Depends on how one approaches the record. First, important to note, the record is consecutive defenses. Overall defenses, I think, belongs to Chavez for all of boxing. As lineal champ, he's 21 from tying and 22 from breaking. As just IBF champ, he's 14 from tying and 15 from breaking.

Considering he fights about 2 times a year, sometimes 1, that puts him about seven years and change from the mark. That's barring injury and a desire to do something else in life.

The odds are heavily stacked against.

Completely covering in all directions. There's no doubt about it. Although Manny Stewart says Klitschko could easily fight for another 4-5 years, I think that, unless the markets suddenly crash, as soon as his brother retires, he will feel lonely at the top and be thinkng about following suit.

[AlwaysOnTop]

I've heard it a million times because people draw the false conclusion that just because of their size it would be the same result.

As for the bold it is just a ridiculous argument. I was obviously saying Wlad would beat Louis and Marciano because HWs and athletes in general of this era are a different beast then the ones of the past. So no... I dont have two choices. We arent comparing Wlad and Louis towards what we think they would be if they had lived in different eras. We are comparing the Wladimir we see now and the Joe Louis we know of. Basically due to your last statement you agree with me that Wlad would starch Joe Louis in a head to head match.

Vlad got starched by a crack-head AWOL from rehab..

Why?

Because he LEANS STRAIGHT BACK..!

Joe Louis would EASILLY destroy Vlad..and Vitali...

Lamon Brewster couldn't beat Joe's trainer...but he beat Vlad...hmmm

Ross Purrity..................................you think he'd KO Joe Louis...the way he did Vlad..??

Corry Sanders was a better golfer than a boxer....he couldn't hit Joe with rice at a wedding..

The guys that STOPPED Vlad couldn't touch Joe Louis..

[edgarg]

Have a look at his record, just seeing a 3-3 guy fighting the world champion tells me enough about this so called "great era".

I had a look at his record. This was his only fight between March 1942 and June 1946, which was during the War years when there were really no title fights within a few months of America entering the War. Louis had 4 -FOUR- title fights in 1940, and 7 -SEVEN- title fights in 1941 but none-ZERO- in 42, 43, 44, and 45.......until he fought Billy Conn AFTER the War.

So your quote is very tendentious, self-serving and suspect. The Davis bout, was supposed to have been only an exhibition. But the New York (only New York) State Commission insisted that it should be classed as a title defence. Only they did so. Out of 48 States.

And, byt the way, I recall that Floyd Patterson, who was actually a good heavyweight Champion, fought Olympic Gold Medal winner Pete Rademacher who thus had his very first professional fight, and Rocky Marciano's whole championship career was to specialize in ancient retreads.
Think of a better one.

[Danny Gunz]

Saying that today's formula 1 would be faster than an old one has no reason to be, we all know it. Saying that Crosby is skating faster then Maurice Richard is the same, but what is clear to me is that Joe Louis, just like Maurice Richard and Gilles Villeneuve were special athletes that may never be surpassed. It is known that Maurice Richard would score 100 goals/year in todays hockey, but i can bet you that somewhere on the net there is someone that's saying that Crosby or any of today's star is better than Richard.

Then what was the point of the hostility towards my post earlier that you sigged if you agree with it?

[crold1]

I had a look at his record. This was his only fight between March 1942 and June 1946, which was during the War years when there were really no title fights within a few months of America entering the War. Louis had 4 -FOUR- title fights in 1940, and 7 -SEVEN- title fights in 1941 but none-ZERO- in 42, 43, 44, and 45.......until he fought Billy Conn AFTER the War.

So your quote is very tendentious, self-serving and suspect. The Davis bout, was supposed to have been only an exhibition. But the New York (only New York) State Commission insisted that it should be classed as a title defence. Only they did so. Out of 48 States.

And, byt the way, I recall that Floyd Patterson, who was actually a good heavyweight Champion, fought Olympic Gold Medal winner Pete Rademacher who thus had his very first professional fight, and Rocky Marciano's whole championship career was to specialize in ancient retreads.
Think of a better one.

Believe it was also essentially an Army fund raiser. he fought more than one of those. Baer II and Simon II were both for the relief effort for sure. In other words, he fought some real contenders essentially for free for a greater cause than himself.

Considering the good the Klit's do outside the ring, there's something for both sides of a nice history debate to celebrate.

[edgarg]

Just saying I have no idea because you assume all of Louis' record is wrong on Boxrec isn't really fair. What I see is no less than 8 fighters coming off a loss and getting a shot at Louis' heavyweight title, Tony Musto coming of a 2-4 record and 6-fight rookie Johnny Davis both fighting Louis. Unless these stats are proven wrong, I have a point.

If you'd look at the record....I mean really LOOK at the record, you'd see that Louis was fighting every month or two. He needed opponents so that he could make some real money, to match his now sendthrift life style. So he took whoever was there, actually the best available. Thy were all quite good, but, of course because Louis was so overwhelming they didn't show up well against Louis. The same way that quite good fighters today don't show up well against the Klitschkos. I've discussed Johnny Davis in another post, and you are shown up.

You know all this, so why keep harping on your little doo-dahs...?? Your position is as much past-due date as Marciano's triple retreads and zero-wins kids. Being factual, Marciano has by far the worst opponent record of any heavyweight champion. You should concentrate on him, look up the records of HIS opponents, and his opponents opponents.

You'll get an eye opener and you'll forget all about Joe Louis and the Klitschkos. Far worse even than Marvin Hart, who wasn't nearly as bad as his reputation, and was actually a good fighter.

[Mr. Fantastic]

You need to get it out your head that there is double standards and except that Wlad is not the undisputed champ...therefore his run is meanungless compared to Joe Louis......

And anyone with a once of boxing knowledge...something your lacking....knows that the "bum of the month" comp was over exaggerated.........

He basically is undisputed you moron. He has the RING title and his brother only has one title. HIS BROTHER. I don't have the greatest boxing knowledge BUT I will tell you with full confidence that I have more than the majority of the people here, including you.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Have a look at his record, just seeing a 3-3 guy fighting the world champion tells me enough about this so called "great era".

Bam!!!!!!! Ownage right here!!!

That's what I'm saying, a guy with that record fighting for a world champion against a "great" tells you a lot about that era.

[Mr. Fantastic]

klitschko will never come close to a Legend like Joe Louis and i don't have to enumarate all the reasons why, it has already been done by the most respected experts of boxing.

Most of those "boxing experts" lived through the cold war era. Most of them aren't going to be giving guys like the Klits the props they deserve.

[Superflo777]

If you'd look at the record....I mean really LOOK at the record, you'd see that Louis was fighting every month or two. He needed opponents so that he could make some real money, to match his now sendthrift life style. So he took whoever was there, actually the best available. Thy were all quite good, but, of course because Louis was so overwhelming they didn't show up well against Louis. The same way that quite good fighters today don't show up well against the Klitschkos. I've discussed Johnny Davis in another post, and you are shown up.

You know all this, so why keep harping on your little doo-dahs...?? Your position is as much past-due date as Marciano's triple retreads and zero-wins kids. Being factual, Marciano has by far the worst opponent record of any heavyweight champion. You should concentrate on him, look up the records of HIS opponents, and his opponents opponents.

You'll get an eye opener and you'll forget all about Joe Louis and the Klitschkos. Far worse even than Marvin Hart, who wasn't nearly as bad as his reputation, and was actually a good fighter.

I was on that train in response to the guy who said there are only bums in today's heavyweight division and Louis today would be the undefeated champion with three time more title defenses. And that's quite ironic when realizing that Louis fought no less than 8 fighters coming off a loss for the heavyweight title, and comparing that to Wlad who has fought a good number of undefeated challengers and not one coming off a loss streak as a champion just shows the contrast. You get my point now.