worst heavyweight title defences

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  • daggum
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    #31
    Originally posted by Mr. Fantastic
    A lot from Joe Louis, Marciano and Jack Johnson as well.
    a lot from marciano? do you even know what you are saying or are you just throwing out names?

    here are marciano's title fights

    he beat the heavyweight champ walcott
    he beat walcott again in the rematch who was rated number 1
    he beat lastarza who was ranked #7
    he beat ezzard charles twice who was ranked #2
    he beat don c-ockell who was ranked #2
    he beat archie moore who was ranked #1

    those are the worst title defenses ever?
    Last edited by daggum; 03-07-2012, 10:39 PM.

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    • Mr. Fantastic
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      #32
      Originally posted by daggum
      a lot from marciano? do you even know what you are saying or are you just throwing out names?

      here are marciano's title fights

      he beat the heavyweight champ walcott
      he beat walcott again in the rematch who was rated number 1
      he beat lastarza who was ranked #7
      he beat ezzard charles twice who was ranked #2
      he beat don ****ell who was ranked #2
      he beat archie moore who was ranked #1

      those are the worst title defenses ever?
      Dude Marciano made a killing off old ass dudes. That's just how I see it.

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      • daggum
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        #33
        Originally posted by Mr. Fantastic
        Dude Marciano made a killing off old ass dudes. That's just how I see it.
        ok well if you don't want to look at facts be my guest. the only "old" guy he fought was louis and he beat him before he even became champ. his title defenses were against all top ranked guys. if they were old and crappy would they be top ranked guys? makes no sense but ok.

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        • Tiozzo
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          #34
          Originally posted by Mr. Fantastic
          Dude Marciano made a killing off old ass dudes. That's just how I see it.
          that's a myth

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          • Dubblechin
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            #35
            Originally posted by joe strong
            some of the worst title defences ever...
            chagaev vs drumond
            maskaev vs okello
            valuev vs beck
            holyfield vs czyz
            bowe vs ferguson

            Holyfield-Czyz wasn't a title fight.

            And by worst do you mean poor performances by both guys or just mismatches?

            Bowe-Ferguson was a blowout and a mismatch. But Bowe didn't perform poorly. He just dominated. Then again, a lot of champs have dominated overmatched challengers.

            Essentially every Ali title defense in the 1960s was a complete mismatch. But, since Ali performed great, nobody says they were awful - even though NONE were competitive.

            I don't put mismatches like Foreman-Roman or Klitschko-Mormeck in the "worst" category, because one guy performed great and it ended in a convincing Ko.

            The "worst" heavyweight title fight I ever watched was either Ruiz-Rahman, Ruiz-Oquendo or Byrd-Williamson. Byrd-Williamson was awful. Neither guy threw a punch for 12 rounds. They just stared at each other or clinched. People thought Jean Marc Mormeck looked bad Saturday. Byrd-Williamson was like TWO MORMECK's were fighting each other. Truly awful. Both guys were pathetic.
            Last edited by Dubblechin; 03-08-2012, 01:40 AM.

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            • Mr. Fantastic
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              #36
              Originally posted by daggum
              ok well if you don't want to look at facts be my guest. the only "old" guy he fought was louis and he beat him before he even became champ. his title defenses were against all top ranked guys. if they were old and crappy would they be top ranked guys? makes no sense but ok.
              Source please? Since it's a fact. Ah common now! Louis wasn't the only old ass dude. There was another like 2 more but I can't think it off my head right now. It was in a documentary about him.

              Also what doesn't make sense is that Walcott would be #1 after getting knocked out. But ok.

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              • Emon723
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                #37
                Originally posted by joe strong
                forgot about seldon\hipp...was that on tyson\mcneeley undercard?
                yes, it was in the undercard of Tyson-McNeeley, think about the talent of the heavyweight division back then and the WBA could offer a Seldon vs Hipp title fight.

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                • joe strong
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Dubblechin
                  Holyfield-Czyz wasn't a title fight.

                  And by worst do you mean poor performances by both guys or just mismatches?

                  Bowe-Ferguson was a blowout and a mismatch. But Bowe didn't perform poorly. He just dominated. Then again, a lot of champs have dominated overmatched challengers.

                  Essentially every Ali title defense in the 1960s was a complete mismatch. But, since Ali performed great, nobody says they were awful - even though NONE were competitive.

                  I don't put mismatches like Foreman-Roman or Klitschko-Mormeck in the "worst" category, because one guy performed great and it ended in a convincing Ko.

                  The "worst" heavyweight title fight I ever watched was either Ruiz-Rahman, Ruiz-Oquendo or Byrd-Williamson. Byrd-Williamson was awful. Neither guy threw a punch for 12 rounds. They just stared at each other or clinched. People thought Jean Marc Mormeck looked bad Saturday. Byrd-Williamson was like TWO MORMECK's were fighting each other. Truly awful. Both guys were pathetic.
                  i'm talking a guy defending his belt vs an unworthy opponent...thought the holyfield czyz fight was a title fight...

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                  • Malius
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                    #39
                    Ibragimov vs Holyfielf /thread

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                    • PD21
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                      #40
                      Herbie Hide vs Dameon Reed.

                      That as for the WBO title so not really a heavyweight title fight and it was on the undercard of a featherweight match. Heavyweight title at its worst Id say.

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