Did Floyd dodge Cotto in 2007/2008?

[The_Sandman]

Do you need me to pull up the article where Mayweather said he would'nt fight Cotto because Cotto didn't have a fan base?


You're acting like they were negotiating but Bob Arum was the problem. No!

The negotiations never even began because Mayweather wouldn't even ENTERTAIN the idea of fighting Cotto because he didn't have "a big enough fan base".

Come on man.

So what are you saying? Bob Arum reached out to Floyd??? (let's see how many people are going to believe that.) Because what I'm saying is this. Yes, Floyd didn't show the urgency to fight Cotto. But from Cotto's recent interview, Cotto said he wasn't urgent to fight Mayweather either. He said he just fought whoever was put in front of him (figures, right?). In another words, he just fought whoever Top Rank put him in there with. With that said, at the end of the day, Bob Arum has the power. And if Bob Arum can't reach out to Golden Boy, then I highly doubt Bob Arum is going to give Mayweather a call and say, "Do you want to fight Cotto?"

So what I'm trying to say is, with Bob out of the picture, a Mayweather vs Cotto fight can happen. This easily. When I say this easily, I mean, its happening. Right now. Press conference in couple minutes. Face off filmed. Pictures released. 24/7 announced. That easily.

All I can say is, with Bob Arum, the fight didn't happen. And without Bob Arum, the fight happened.

[COACH WEBB]

Immediately after Floyd fought Hatton or before/after Cotto fought Gomez.

The public didn't want to see Floyd vs DLH II, just like they didn't want to see Cotto vs Gomez.

Floyd being his own boss, I'm pretty sure if he called out Cotto like he had the opportunity during the post fight Hatton interview, I'm pretty sure negotiations could've began and the Gomez vs Cotto fight would've been called off.

Instead, we heard about transitioning to MMA because "boxing had no more challenges", retirement, fanbases, ect...

Ok, and after he left Top Rank (and the fall out) that fight wasn't going to happen as long as Cotto was with Top Rank, period. I was hoping for that fight the most during that time. But I realized that when things soured with he and Arum, the fight JUST WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. And right after the Hatton fight was over, Cotto signed to fight Gomez very soon thereafter if my memory serves me correct. Now all these years later he STILL hasn't fought a fighter from the Top Rank stable. I think that speaks volumes. Also, let's not act like Miguel (or his team) was dying for this fight to happen. Neither side really did anything to make it happen and it stemmed from the problems between Floyd and Arum IMO.

[F l i c k e r]

Does Bob Arum still manage Cotto?

[COACH WEBB]

So what are you saying? Bob Arum reached out to Floyd??? (let's see how many people are going to believe that.) Because what I'm saying is this. Yes, Floyd didn't show the urgency to fight Cotto. But from Cotto's recent interview, Cotto said he wasn't urgent to fight Mayweather either. He said he just fought whoever was put in front of him (figures, right?). In another words, he just fought whoever Top Rank put him in there with. With that said, at the end of the day, Bob Arum has the power. And if Bob Arum can't reach out to Golden Boy, then I highly doubt Bob Arum is going to give Mayweather a call and say, "Do you want to fight Cotto?"

So what I'm trying to say is, with Bob out of the picture, a Mayweather vs Cotto fight can happen. This easily. When I say this easily, I mean, its happening. Right now. Press conference in couple minutes. Face off filmed. Pictures released. 24/7 announced. That easily.

All I can say is, with Bob Arum, the fight didn't happen. And without Bob Arum, the fight happened.

Good point. When he and Floyd fell out, the fight just wasn't going to happen, period.

[Calabis]

I think you're confusing 2005 and 2006 with 2008.

Mayweather wanted Cotto in 2005/2006, yes. Bob Arum said no.

The public wanted Mayweather/Cotto in 2008, Floyd said Cotto's fan base wasn't big enough and that he was retiring or rematching DLH.

No matter how hard one tries, history can't be changed.

Yes u'r right, but how is it ok for fighters to avoid or be protected from Floyd, yet its not ok for him to return the favor when he's on top? I don't get it...I hate Floyds antics but him ducking and dodging is getting out of hand....he was ducked and dodged much of his prime, because he wasn't worth the risk..and he was a dynamic fighter that Mosley avoided(didn't make sense $$ wise, De La Hoya waited til he was practically no longer interested in boxing, but wanted a huge payday). This isn't the 80's or 90's, PPV has ruined the sport, its not about what we want to see anymore, its about who can generate the most cash. Hatton was undefeated and calling out Mayweather left and right, he brought a huge UK crowd with him....money wise that was probably the better choice.

[Calabis]

So what are you saying? Bob Arum reached out to Floyd??? (let's see how many people are going to believe that.) Because what I'm saying is this. Yes, Floyd didn't show the urgency to fight Cotto. But from Cotto's recent interview, Cotto said he wasn't urgent to fight Mayweather either. He said he just fought whoever was put in front of him (figures, right?). In another words, he just fought whoever Top Rank put him in there with. With that said, at the end of the day, Bob Arum has the power. And if Bob Arum can't reach out to Golden Boy, then I highly doubt Bob Arum is going to give Mayweather a call and say, "Do you want to fight Cotto?"

So what I'm trying to say is, with Bob out of the picture, a Mayweather vs Cotto fight can happen. This easily. When I say this easily, I mean, its happening. Right now. Press conference in couple minutes. Face off filmed. Pictures released. 24/7 announced. That easily.

All I can say is, with Bob Arum, the fight didn't happen. And without Bob Arum, the fight happened.

Good post, only fighters he hasn't really got to fight against are Top rank fighters, which I'm sure has to to do with Arum's/Mayweathers hate toward each other

[GRUSTLER]

I was just answering the topic at hand. I can't comment on Cotto because he gave the same generic answer in every interview. No bull****, no excuses, just the same quote you'd expect to come from Miguel.

Floyd was in the drivers seat at the time, if he wanted, he could have made an offer to Arum and Cotto. Instead he choose to make some ridiculous statements. Pretty gay if you ask me.

So basically you are cosigning Cotto not pushing for the fight but saying Floyd didn't want the fight because he was in the drivers seat and should have pushed for it? Since when does the champ push to fight the challenger? Mayweather was the man to beat back then and Cotto was coming up. Cotto was supposed to get Arum on it and make the fight happen like how Floyd went after Oscar, Hatton went after Mayweather. list of other challengers who went for the champion and man on top dates back and goes on. That excuse you gave is pretty lame.

[COACH WEBB]

So basically you are cosigning Cotto not pushing for the fight but saying Floyd didn't want the fight because he was in the drivers seat and should have pushed for it? Since when does the champ push to fight the challenger? Mayweather was the man to beat back then and Cotto was coming up. Cotto was supposed to get Arum on it and make the fight happen like how Floyd went after Oscar, Hatton went after Mayweather. list of other challengers who went for the champion and man on top dates back and goes on. That excuse you gave is pretty lame.

And that's the thing, Cotto wasn't really ardent about the fight happening. He just used to sprout what Manny sprouts now, "I'll fight whoever my promoter wants me to fight or whoever my promoter picks for me to fight" (granted he wasn't speaking much English at the time).

[PAC-BOY]

Floyd dodged everyone when he retired and has been doing so since the before DLH fight...He sure enough ducked that rematch...

[warp1432]

In my opinion, yes he did. It wasn't because he was "scared" or "felt like he could lose" but Mayweather just didn't want to box during that time. He could have fought De La Hoya in a rematch and made a ton of money, but he passed on that.

Regardless, Mayweather still should have fought Cotto. This fight would have been huge at the time and Cotto was the clear number one challenger.

If anything, this is nonfight kind of showed me that "being the number 1" contender doesn't actually matter. Resumes really don't matter. It's whether the two fighters want it or not and Mayweather did not.

Cotto could have been more urgent, I agree, but this one falls on Mayweather. He called quits on the sport in a division was stacked. It's fine he didn't fight Williams, but he should have fought Cotto in May 2008. It was the perfect time to make the fight.

The fight now is four years too late.