Did Floyd dodge Cotto in 2007/2008?

[BoxingGenius27]

A lot of people wanted to see the Margarito fight. I know I did. Instead of Judah.

The fight was offered to Mayweather though. Like I just told you, I've been looking links but I can't find it, but it was offered to him. I'm surprised you don't remember.

I mean, it's not like it's an unrealistic statment either. The fight would have been very easy to make at that point.

I remember hearing bits and pieces of Margarito. That's just it; Despite his good WW resume, he didn't officially arrive until his plaster victory over Cotto in 2008.... 2008..... But we're here talking about Margarito's status in 2005. He barely had status in 2008, let alone 2005.

See what I'm saying?

[Guest]

I remember hearing bits and pieces of Margarito. That's just it; Despite his good WW resume, he didn't officially arrive until his plaster victory over Cotto in 2008.... 2008..... But we're here talking about Margarito's status in 2005. He barely had status in 2008, let alone 2005.

See what I'm saying?

He beat very good fighters. He got his name after Six Heads Lewis, then beat Perez, Diaz and Cintron so it's not like they were nobodies.

He was beating better people than anyone else because they kept losing after 1 fight.

[IronDanHamza]

I remember hearing bits and pieces of Margarito. That's just it; Despite his good WW resume, he didn't officially arrive until his plaster victory over Cotto in 2008.... 2008..... But we're here talking about Margarito's status in 2005. He barely had status in 2008, let alone 2005.

See what I'm saying?

Yeah, I see what you're saying.

Like I said, I understand why Mayweather didn't fight him.

At the time; He wasn't known at all in the mainstream, he wouldn't have made much money fighting him, atleast not enough to account to the risk level of the fight, and bigger money fights were out there.

In 2006, Margarito was considered one of the best Welterweights in the world, though. And had been for a short while.

Would the Judah fight make Mayweather more money? Yep, absolutely.

Did they have a verbal agreement? Yep, absolutely.

The Judah fight made sense from a financial standpoint, that's absolutely correct.

But, Mayweather could have fought Margarito at that time, if he wanted. Instead of Judah. I'm still trying to find this interview but I can't find it, sorry about that.

Like I said earlier, he didn't avoid him in the sense he was scared to fight him. You know what I'm saying? Like, if Margarito's status and Judah's status were traded, he'd have probably fought Margarito at that time, IMO. But of course it wasn't. So again, it's understandable he fought Judah.

But, the fight was available, it was the toughest fight out there and the best fight out there for him, in terms of legitimacy and was on the table. But for whatever reason, good or bad, he fought Judah instead.

[The Gambler1981]

It was not offered instead of Judah, it was offered instead of Sharmba Mitchell from what I recall which would have been Floyd's first fight at 147. Wasn't really the right time. Margarito that is.

Margarito kept blowing his momentum though catching loses at inoppurtune times Santos, Williams, Mosley each time he had things going his way he couldn't keep it going. Sure he was a top guy and that was a fine fight to occur, but that doesn't mkae it a fight that has to happen either. It takes more than a fight not happening for a guy to be dodging a fight, for me anyways I know that some feel differently though.

Cotto is much the same except he had the momentum but blew it in the summer when people wanted him to fight Floyd. He never pressed for the fight and a challenger does have to press to really be making that sort of claim, he was perfectly content to let Floyd take the blame and gain the prestiege by being avoided by Floyd without trying to make it happen. Once again it would have been a good fight to happen, but it is jsut a fight that didn;t occur right then nothing more.

Plus I don't feel Cotto is all that much different now his flaws are the same, just more widely known and less glossed over since they have been taken advantage of.

[BoxingGenius27]

He beat very good fighters. He got his name after Six Heads Lewis, then beat Perez, Diaz and Cintron so it's not like they were nobodies.

He was beating better people than anyone else because they kept losing after 1 fight.

I remember 6 heads Lewis and of course Cintron.

Problem with that is, at the time, Cintron was an ESPN fighter himself who was still trying to build a name for himself just like Margarito. That's like when Delvin Rodriguez lost to Feliciano on FnF. Whoopty Doo..

Out of your list, the only known prospect was Lewis. And that's just it, he was a slightly better than a "prospect".

[Guest]

I remember 6 heads Lewis and of course Cintron.

Problem with that is, at the time, Cintron was an ESPN fighter himself who was still trying to build a name for himself just like Margarito. That's like when Delvin Rodriguez lost to Feliciano on FnF. Whoopty Doo..

Out of your list, the only known prospect was Lewis. And that's just it, he was a slightly better than a "prospect".

8-1 with 6 ko's in championship fights. Perez and Diaz were more than nothing, and who else was beating anyone. Spinks split with Judah, Forrest lost twice to Mayorga, Judah I won't even get into to.
There is a reason the media hyped Margarito he was beating people.

He moved up and was coming back against Santos then the cut happened.


Other guys like Baldo got one good victory and then caught Judah.

Margarito did more than any of them.

Some people think Margarito started after Cotto. I think that's clearly false.

[BoxingGenius27]

Yeah, I see what you're saying.

Like I said, I understand why Mayweather didn't fight him.

At the time; He wasn't known at all in the mainstream, he wouldn't have made much money fighting him, atleast not enough to account to the risk level of the fight, and bigger money fights were out there.

In 2006, Margarito was considered one of the best Welterweights in the world, though. And had been for a short while.

Would the Judah fight make Mayweather more money? Yep, absolutely.

Did they have a verbal agreement? Yep, absolutely.

The Judah fight made sense from a financial standpoint, that's absolutely correct.

But, Mayweather could have fought Margarito at that time, if he wanted. Instead of Judah. I'm still trying to find this interview but I can't find it, sorry about that.

Like I said earlier, he didn't avoid him in the sense he was scared to fight him. You know what I'm saying? Like, if Margarito's status and Judah's status were traded, he'd have probably fought Margarito at that time, IMO. But of course it wasn't. So again, it's understandable he fought Judah.

But, the fight was available, it was the toughest fight out there and the best fight out there for him, in terms of legitimacy and was on the table. But for whatever reason, good or bad, he fought Judah instead.

I hear what you're saying.

Let's talk about this interview. Did Mayweather say Arum offered him a fight with Margarito in 2004/2005 or something?

Refresh my memory; in your own words, how did this interview go. I'll even help you find it.

[BoxingGenius27]

8-1 with 6 ko's in championship fights. Perez and Diaz were more than nothing, and who else was beating anyone. Spinks split with Judah, Forrest lost twice to Mayorga, Judah I won't even get into to.
There is a reason the media hyped Margarito he was beating people.

He moved up and was coming back against Santos then the cut happened.


Other guys like Baldo got one good victory and then caught Judah.

Margarito did more than any of them.

Some people think Margarito started after Cotto. I think that's clearly false.

Honestly, out of the list you provided, the only names that jump out at me were Forrest, Mayorga, Judah, and spinks.

If you're talking about the Diaz that I think you're talking about, he never really made it past being an ESPN fighter. Matter of fact, I think he lost to Mosley well before he lost to Margarito.

Lastly, I don't recall Margarito being pushed by the media like you say he was. Like I said, I heard things here and there about Margarito, but that was about it. He didn't get anywhere near the push Baldomir got after beating Judah.

[IronDanHamza]

I hear what you're saying.

Let's talk about this interview. Did Mayweather say Arum offered him a fight with Margarito?

Refresh my memory; in your own words, how did this interview go. I'll even help you find it.

It was an interview with Margarito, the one I'm referring to.

He was saying that he was angry that Mayweather fought Judah over him considering he was coming off a loss, and that he doesn't understand why Mayweather is fighting Judah when he could fight him, who deserves the big fight (with the P4P #1) considering he's considered one of, if not the best fighter at the weight at that particular time.

That's all paraprasing off a very diminshed memory

But trust me, it's out there somewhere.

Both Mayweather and Arum addressed it also so no doubt will there be articles out there.

Arum of course didn't care at that time because Floyd was his darling. "The best fighter ever including Ali". He did however bring up the situation again down the line and claim Mayweather ducking him from even back then. No surprises there.

Gambler recalls that he offered Margarito to Mayweather as early as the Sharmba Mitchell fight in 2005 but I don't recall that from memory myself.

[-Kev-]

And why couldn't Mayweather fight Margarito instead of Zab Judah?

He could have, if he wanted to.

And he could have fought Margarito instead of Baldomir too, if he wanted to.

Of course he was on bad terms with Bob Arum at that point, not as bad as they became and are now, but still.

He chose other fights instead, for viable reasons. Still, he chose other fights, easier fights, instead of Margarito.

You're seeing things in black and white. You're not taking in to account that the Judah fight was ready to go for HBO PPV, and the Margarito fight couldn't happen after the Judah fight because Marg was a Top Rank fighter, and Floyd had just bitterly broken up with Top Rank boss Bob Arum.

It's just not that simple as "Yes, i'll be the hero here, i'll fight Margarito". That's how you're making it look. And how was Floyd gonna fight Margarito instead of Judah, when that fight had no interest at the time? NO Top Rank fighter was brought up as a Floyd opponent while Floyd was IN Top Rank. All Top Rank fighters were brought up as Floyd opponents AFTER Floyd left Top Rank. That's what you don't get.