message to marquez: stop piggybacking on that arguable loss/win to pac..

[Toyman]

I'm not going to go back and forth with you all day long, as it's pointless. I don't think it was a robbery, because I hate that word, but Marquez should definitely feel slighted not having at least one win against Manny. I thought both did enough to win the first fight, but Manny won it to me with his 3 knockdowns. I thought JMM did a little more than Manny the 2nd fight, oh well. You have your opinion, I have mine, and majority of boxing fans who watched the fight have theirs as well. The 3rd, I don't really think either guy did enough to win the fight, I had it a draw initially.

It's pointless to go back and forth all day. You have your opinion, I have mine, and the boxing fans have theirs as well.

No, marquez did not do enough to win any of the three fights.

I thought Pac won all 3 fights;

115-110
116-111
117-111

Officially speaking as well, from unbiased judges [i.e not biased fans] Pac won all 3 fights, because Judge Burt Clements admitted to the entire world he accidentally scored the first fight a draw when it should have been for pac.

The problem is that too many people are jealous of pac's success and dont know how to score a fight properly.

All it takes is a round by round analysis [because fights are scored round by round] and its clear as day pac won all 3 of them.

[punchville]

I've seen them, and I scored the first fight for Castillo. I thought Floyd shut out the first 5 rounds, as did many observers, but I thought Castillo won 6 of the last 7, effectively cutting off the ring and keeping Floyd on the ropes. I had it 6 rounds to 6, but Floyd was deducted a point, so a 1 point win for Castillo.

Floyd did the right thing and rematched him immediately, something Manny doesn't seem to know how to do, and won convincingly in the rematch. What's funny about Mayweather-Castillo I and II, is the judges scored the first fight a wide UD for Floyd, when it was a really close fight. And they scored the 2nd fight a tight UD for Floyd, when it should have been confortable UD.

it was 7-5 to me so floyd really lost by 3 points...anyways,thats not the point of this thread..it's about jmm not having an atg..it's very far from it....not seen any solid argument that says otherwise....

carry on with your who won the close fight debate...

[ModernTalking]

still watching the 3rd fight in slow motion??

You're kind of slow so that's regular speed for you .

[4Corners]

No, marquez did not do enough to win any of the three fights.

I thought Pac won all 3 fights;

115-110
116-111
117-111

Officially speaking as well, from unbiased judges [i.e not biased fans] Pac won all 3 fights, because Judge Burt Clements admitted to the entire world he accidentally scored the first fight a draw when it should have been for pac.

The problem is that too many people are jealous of pac's success and dont know how to score a fight properly.

All it takes is a round by round analysis [because fights are scored round by round] and its clear as day pac won all 3 of them.

You have your opinion, everyone else has theirs. Even some of the most blind Pacquiao lovers don't score the fights that wide, sorry. Have a good one.

Pac-JMM I: 113-112 Pacquiao. 7-5 Marquez in rounds, but the 3 knockdowns won it for Manny.

Pac-JMM II: 115-112/114-113 Marquez. 8-4/7-5 marquez in rounds, with the knockdown. I initially had it 8-4 in rounds, but 7-5 when I rewatched it again.

Pac-JMM III: 114-114 draw. It's about rounds according to Pac fans, and this was clear evidence of that. Could have gone either way.

[DeadLikeMe]

No, marquez did not do enough to win any of the three fights.

I thought Pac won all 3 fights;

115-110
116-111
117-111

Officially speaking as well, from unbiased judges [i.e not biased fans] Pac won all 3 fights, because Judge Burt Clements admitted to the entire world he accidentally scored the first fight a draw when it should have been for pac.

The problem is that too many people are jealous of pac's success and dont know how to score a fight properly.

All it takes is a round by round analysis [because fights are scored round by round] and its clear as day pac won all 3 of them.

Do you think Pacquiao was poisoned and/or blood drained for the first Morales fight?

Do you consider the Manny's two KO losses (Singsurat, Torrecampo) to be legitimate losses?

Was the count Pacquiao received after being KD'd by Nedal Hussein a long count?

After seeing your 3 scores I am curious what you think of these questions.

[fightfan2007]

People have really become so ****** nowadays that they have to rely on other people's assessment of the fight. Same idiots who claim they are real boxing fans.

It's so simple. Watch the fight in slow motion and see for yourselves. It's so idiotic to see morons having to say so and so favored Marquez and all that crap as if they don't have any brain.

Three judges gave it to Pac. Compubox favored Pac. Lederman scored it to Pac. I can't see why I would object to that as a fan.

f### dat sh##

look at his corner, his wife and his own face after the fight.... even blu boy was ready to slit his wrists

compubox?? slo mo?? judges?? - now i know u aint no boxing fan

rofl

[SplitSecond]

ts is right, we might have a good poster here, no trollin(except from other posters)

[Toyman]

Yep, JMM did nothing in the 7th, my god. I'm not going back and forth with you all day, it's the most pointless thing ever. It's like arguing with the Floyd haters that think Mayweather-De La Hoya was actually a close fight. JMM won the 7th and the 12th, clearly out landed Pacquiao. And the flurry you talked about in the 7th, JMM answered him during that flurry with his own punches that landed right on Pacquiao. Have a good day, this is pointless and ******. We both have out opinions, and the majority of boxing analysts and fans have theirs as well.

The problem is you didn't actually watch the rounds with an unbiased opinion


Round 7, marquez did not answer pac's flurry,
Not to mention, what little they did outside of that flurry, pac still did a bit more.

I posted that youtube link, but really you shuold watch it in better quality, because i can tell you right now, from 1:07 to 0:55

Pac outlanded marquez in that flurry 5-2, and the 2 that marquez did land were clearly very soft compared to what pac landed on marquez.

[Toyman]

you sure about that...coz the stats say otherwise...7th round that is...or is your opininon more credible than it also?...

The problem with the whole pac-jmm situation is that pac haters are simply happy to take jmms word for it without actually forming their own opinion.



The other problem, is that when people bring up facts to validate pacs win, the haters simply dismiss the use of slow motion and hd, as if to say that using clearer analysis is really a bad thing.

When it comes to whining, you can count on marquez' sympathizers to be there, but the moment you start a round by round debate, they all of a sudden disappear.


I had pac winning all 3 fights, just on a live viewing

But my scores on all 3 fights did change after watching it with a better quality and with the benefit of slow motion to see what really happened.

I initially thought pac only won the 1st 2 by just a point, but I can confidently say now that he actually won both by 5 points. I initially thought he won the 3rd by maybe 2-4 points, but have now changed my opinion to 6.

[Sin City]

marquez has a great resume.. i dunno what you are talking about.