message to marquez: stop piggybacking on that arguable loss/win to pac..

[4Corners]

7,10 ,11 for marquez?


those 3 were all clearly pacquiao, especially round 10...

No way the 7th was a Pacquiao round, i don't care if Lederman scored it for him. Marquez out landed him by like 4-5 power punches and landed the harder shots that round clearly. The 10th, Pac started out quick the first half of the round, but the last half he didn't do much at all, while Marquez boxed well and hit Pac with right hands the last half of the round. It ended up a close round, as both landed the same number of punches and power shots. Pac started the 10th big, but Marquez ended the last half of the round solidly out boxing Pacquiao. The 11th was really close too.

But no way no how was the 7th a Pacquiao round.

Even if you change one of the Marquez rounds to a Pacquiao round, it's 7 rounds to 5, 114-113 Marquez.

Aside from the occasional flurries in that fight where Pac did damage and the knockdown, JMM out landed him and landed the harder shots.

No way Pacquiao won the 2nd fight.

[punchville]

No way the 7th was a Pacquiao round, i don't care if Lederman scored it for him. Marquez out landed him by like 4-5 power punches and landed the harder shots that round clearly. The 10th, Pac started out quick the first half of the round, but the last half he didn't do much at all, while Marquez boxed well and hit Pac with right hands the last half of the round. It ended up a close round, as both landed the same number of punches and power shots. Pac started the 10th big, but Marquez ended the last half of the round solidly out boxing Pacquiao. The 11th was really close too.

But no way no how was the 7th a Pacquiao round.

Even if you change one of the Marquez rounds to a Pacquiao round, it's 7 rounds to 5, 114-113 Marquez.

Aside from the occasional flurries in that fight where Pac did damage and the knockdown, JMM out landed him and landed the harder shots.

No way Pacquiao won the 2nd fight.

you sure about that...coz the stats say otherwise...7th round that is...or is your opininon more credible than it also?...

[Toyman]

No way the 7th was a Pacquiao round, i don't care if Lederman scored it for him. Marquez out landed him by like 4-5 power punches and landed the harder shots that round clearly. The 10th, Pac started out quick the first half of the round, but the last half he didn't do much at all, while Marquez boxed well and hit Pac with right hands the last half of the round. It ended up a close round, as both landed the same number of punches and power shots. Pac started the 10th big, but Marquez ended the last half of the round solidly out boxing Pacquiao. The 11th was really close too.

But no way no how was the 7th a Pacquiao round.

Even if you change one of the Marquez rounds to a Pacquiao round, it's 7 rounds to 5, 114-113 Marquez.

Aside from the occasional flurries in that fight where Pac did damage and the knockdown, JMM out landed him and landed the harder shots.

No way Pacquiao won the 2nd fight.

So,you scored round 10 for marquez, despite almost getting knocked down?

what did marquez do in round 10 to win it?


as for round 7, where were these hard punches that marquez landed?



That whole sequence from 1:07- 0:55, was pretty much all pac, and marquez did nothing else in the round really.


and, if you could do your analysis for round 10, and show how marquez wins , that would certainly be interesting.


Round 11 was clearly pacquiao - marquez' best punch was actually blocked.


I also thought pac won round 12.

So that makes it 8-4 pac.

[4Corners]

So,you scored round 10 for marquez, despite almost getting knocked down?

what did marquez do in round 10 to win it?


as for round 7, where were these hard punches that marquez landed?



That whole sequence from 1:07- 0:55, was pretty much all pac, and marquez did nothing else in the round really.


and, if you could do your analysis for round 10, and show how marquez wins , that would certainly be interesting.


Round 11 was clearly pacquiao - marquez' best punch was actually blocked.


I also thought pac won round 12.

So that makes it 8-4 pac.

Pac did NOTHING the 7th round aside from the flurry from 1:07-0:55 that you mentioned, and even then JMM answered back with punches of his own. The rest of the round was a slow pace fight, where JMM picked his shots and landed his right hand on Manny, where Manny didn't do much of anything. It's easy to see why JMM landed 12 power shots in the 7th to only 8 for Manny. How the 7th was a Pac round is beyond me.

And I scored it 8-4 Marquez initially watching it live, and Marquez was NOT almost knocked down in the 10th. He was stunned in the early going, and I could easily see scoring that a Pac round, but still......marquez finished the 2nd half of the round sontrong, effectively landing on Manny, and even stat wise it ended up a close round. Almost knocked down is what Floyd was when he took those hard shots from Mosley in the 2nd round of their fight. I could easily see scoring the 10th for Manny, but even then it's 7 rounds to 5, 114-113 JMM with the knockdown. The 11th was close, but Marquez still controlled the majority of the action that round and the pace of that round, and they ended up landing around the same number of punches. How was the 12th a Pac round????? He got out landed by a pretty wide number in the power punches. How does someone win a round landing 10 power shots, when their opponent landed 15, and neither was really hurt???? The 12th was a JMM round.

I could easily see 7 rounds to 5 JMM or 7 rounds to 4 with an even one, but 8 rounds to 4 Pac is asinine.

In the majority of Pac-JMM fights, it seems like Pac fans think Manny wins a round when he lands flurries once or twice, for about 10-15 seconds a round, even though Marquez lands right back on him. And the rest of the round, it's a fairly slow pace fight, with Manny coming forward a lot and not landing much, and JMM picking his shots, and landing his right hand every now and then. But, to pac fans, that's somehow a clear Pacquiao round......

[4Corners]

you sure about that...coz the stats say otherwise...7th round that is...or is your opininon more credible than it also?...

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=compubox-juan-manuel-marquez-manny-pacquiao

How was the 7th a Pac round accoridng the stats???????

[4Corners]

I'm not going to go back and forth with you all day long, as it's pointless. I don't think it was a robbery, because I hate that word, but Marquez should definitely feel slighted not having at least one win against Manny. I thought both did enough to win the first fight, but Manny won it to me with his 3 knockdowns. I thought JMM did a little more than Manny the 2nd fight, oh well. You have your opinion, I have mine, and majority of boxing fans who watched the fight have theirs as well. The 3rd, I don't really think either guy did enough to win the fight, I had it a draw initially.

It's pointless to go back and forth all day. You have your opinion, I have mine, and the boxing fans have theirs as well.

[punchville]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/vi...manny-pacquiao

How was the 7th a Pac round accoridng the stats???????

i was talking about the 3rd fight , you were talking about the second fight...

do you wanna see the stats of the floyd vs castillo 1?...

[Toyman]

Pac did NOTHING the 7th round aside from the flurry from 1:07-0:55 that you mentioned, and even then JMM answered back with punches of his own. The rest of the round was a slow pace fight, where JMM picked his shots and landed his right hand on Manny, where Manny didn't do much of anything. It's easy to see why JMM landed 12 power shots in the 7th to only 8 for Manny. How the 7th was a Pac round is beyond me.

And I scored it 8-4 Marquez initially watching it live, and Marquez was NOT almost knocked down in the 10th. He was stunned in the early going, and I could easily see scoring that a Pac round, but still......marquez finished the 2nd half of the round sontrong, effectively landing on Manny, and even stat wise it ended up a close round. Almost knocked down is what Floyd was when he took those hard shots from Mosley in the 2nd round of their fight. I could easily see scoring the 10th for Manny, but even then it's 7 rounds to 5, 114-113 JMM with the knockdown. The 11th was close, but Marquez still controlled the majority of the action that round and the pace of that round, and they ended up landing around the same number of punches. How was the 12th a Pac round????? He got out landed by a pretty wide number in the power punches. How does someone win a round landing 10 power shots, when their opponent landed 15, and neither was really hurt???? The 12th was a JMM round.

I could easily see 7 rounds to 5 JMM or 7 rounds to 4 with an even one, but 8 rounds to 4 Pac is asinine.

In the majority of Pac-JMM fights, it seems like Pac fans think Manny wins a round when he lands flurries once or twice, for about 10-15 seconds a round, even though Marquez lands right back on him. And the rest of the round, it's a fairly slow pace fight, with Manny coming forward a lot and not landing much, and JMM picking his shots, and landing his right hand every now and then. But, to pac fans, that's somehow a clear Pacquiao round......

while pac may not have done much outside of his flurry in round 7, marquez did nothign at all, period.

so 1 good flurry vs nothing, i think thats clearly a pac round.

Round 10 was clearly pacquiao. The only thing marquez did in that round was get hit in the face continuously.

so if we reverse those in your scorecard, that makes it 6-6.

Not to mention, pac also won round 11 and 12 - 11 clearly and 12, close.

So 7-5 Pac at the very least.

[4Corners]

i was talking about the 3rd fight , you were talking about the second fight...

do you wanna see the stats of the floyd vs castillo 1?...

I've seen them, and I scored the first fight for Castillo. I thought Floyd shut out the first 5 rounds, as did many observers, but I thought Castillo won 6 of the last 7, effectively cutting off the ring and keeping Floyd on the ropes. I had it 6 rounds to 6, but Floyd was deducted a point, so a 1 point win for Castillo.

Floyd did the right thing and rematched him immediately, something Manny doesn't seem to know how to do, and won convincingly in the rematch. What's funny about Mayweather-Castillo I and II, is the judges scored the first fight a wide UD for Floyd, when it was a really close fight. And they scored the 2nd fight a tight UD for Floyd, when it should have been confortable UD.

[4Corners]

while pac may not have done much outside of his flurry in round 7, marquez did nothign at all, period.

so 1 good flurry vs nothing, i think thats clearly a pac round.

Round 10 was clearly pacquiao. The only thing marquez did in that round was get hit in the face continuously.

so if we reverse those in your scorecard, that makes it 6-6.

Not to mention, pac also won round 11 and 12 - 11 clearly and 12, close.

So 7-5 Pac at the very least.

Yep, JMM did nothing in the 7th, my god. I'm not going back and forth with you all day, it's the most pointless thing ever. It's like arguing with the Floyd haters that think Mayweather-De La Hoya was actually a close fight. JMM won the 7th and the 12th, clearly out landed Pacquiao. And the flurry you talked about in the 7th, JMM answered him during that flurry with his own punches that landed right on Pacquiao. Have a good day, this is pointless and ******. We both have out opinions, and the majority of boxing analysts and fans have theirs as well.