If you cant pick anyone that realistically beats a guy for a full 15 years then why

[Ko King 212]

floyd hasn't fought anyone as good as hopkins and even though calzaghe should have lost that fight at least he fought him and didn't demand more than 50 percent or some other ****** shi-t for 3 + years. has he beaten anyone on the level of hagler, hearns, duran, benitez all in or near their prime? that's 4 better wins that leonard has over anyone floyd has beaten. how can floyd be better than him?

Point out a b hop around his weight class?

Who in boxing ate on the level of all those people you listed? No one. Closest 1 is pacq and he wouldn't even be the fav.

No he is not goat. Dude is up there.

[Weebler I]

Floyd's is as natural a 147 lb'er as Hatton his. His skills are just better.

I was more making the point that Hatton was at his best at 140lbs. Floyd fought him at 147lbs where he had already struggled badly (by his own standards) with Collazo. Add in the fact FMJ was fighting in his backyard and with a biased, incompetent fellow countryman ref and that particular "win" isn't really conclusive of anything much in terms of his resume/cv.

Had he come to Manchester like Tszyu did and fought Hatton at 140lbs and beat Ricky, it would have been much more impressive for his cv/resume. I don't think he was capable of that however.

Muhammed Ali fought all over the world, Hopkins fought champs outside the US, Lewis, Klitschko, Pacquiao all fought overseas, Mayweather fought out of his back yard.

[turbotime]

I was more making the point that Hatton was at his best at 140lbs. Floyd fought him at 147lbs where he had already struggled badly (by his own standards) with Collazo.

Add in the fact FMJ was fighting in his backyard and with a biased, incompetent fellow countryman ref and that particular "win" isn't really conclusive of anything much in terms of his resume/cv.

Had he come to Manchester like Tszyu did and fought Hatton at 140lbs and beat Ricky, it would have been much more impressive for his cv/resume. I don't think he was capable of that however.

lmao Mickey Vann is far more crooked than Cortez. Did you see the Tzyu fight? Jesus himself would have gotten low blowed that night and Vann would have turned a blind eye to it.

Floyd was at his best at 130-135. Neither were at their best at 147.

[freedom213]

is it blasfemy for him to think he is the best ever?

I mean really, in a forum where I see guys give all kinds of man love to Canelo, Pacquiao and Cotto.(2 of which who have been beaten handily). GOAT is opinion. I think its as good of an opinion as any for Floyd to be in the conversation dont you think. He's untested because he's that good man.

You dot get it, It's not that he cant be in that conversation its just that he is a D I C K ! And almost nobody gives a crap about him receiving recognition and therefore nobody wants to have that conversation except other douchebags.

[New England]

is it blasfemy for him to think he is the best ever?

I mean really, in a forum where I see guys give all kinds of man love to Canelo, Pacquiao and Cotto.(2 of which who have been beaten handily). GOAT is opinion. I think its as good of an opinion as any for Floyd to be in the conversation dont you think. He's untested because he's that good man.

you've got to actually know about the fighters against which he's being compared
right? to say he's the best ever we've got to have a full understanding of the guys he's got to beat out for the top spot


to put a few names out there:

robinson was a five time MW champion
he would beat 13 world champions (when there was only one belt per weight class.)
he's basically the consensus greatest WW ever, and always in the top three MW of all time

he never lost to a WW, his first loss came against an ATG MW named jake lamotta.

he beat him less than a month later in the rematch. after that he went NINE YEARS without losing.




henry armstrong held the world championship at FW, LW, and WW simultaneously, when there was only one title

he holds the record for title defenses at ww with i believe 18.
he also holds the record for knockouts in WW title defenses.



joe louis was the HW champion of the world for more than a decade

i'll say that again, because it's just absurd. when the HW championship of the world was THE most significant title on the planet he held it for 12 years (it was not put on the line during most of WWII,)

he racked up 25 defenses, again, when the HW world championship was the most coveted position in sports.


you guys honesty think floyd mayweather is more accomplished than these types?

come now

[Junior M Weight]

His fight with an old Oscar was close. Imagine him in the ring against a prime DLH.

[shadeyfizzle]

you've got to actually know about the fighters against which he's being compared
right? to say he's the best ever we've got to have a full understanding of the guys he's got to beat out for the top spot


to put a few names out there:

robinson was a five time MW champion
he would beat 13 world champions (when there was only one belt per weight class.)
he's basically the consensus greatest WW ever, and always in the top three MW of all time

he never lost to a WW, his first loss came against an ATG MW named jake lamotta.

he beat him less than a month later in the rematch. after that he went NINE YEARS without losing.




henry armstrong held the world championship at FW, LW, and WW simultaneously, when there was only one title

he holds the record for title defenses at ww with i believe 18.
he also holds the record for knockouts in WW title defenses.



joe louis was the HW champion of the world for more than a decade

i'll say that again, because it's just absurd. when the HW championship of the world was THE most significant title on the planet he held it for 12 years (it was not put on the line during most of WWII,)

he racked up 25 defenses, again, when the HW world championship was the most coveted position in sports.


you guys honesty think floyd mayweather is more accomplished than these types?

come now

Ts ISN'T saying floyd is goat. He's saying based off of floyd's talent, accomplishment and domination why does floyd as a fighter have no right to claim or believe he is the goat..

And as I stated before, even if you leave out the fact that his level of opposition is severely lacking, floyd is still an idiot for claiming it because he dorsnt
Have a single accomplishment that isnt completely eclipsed by another fighter.

[New England]

Ts ISN'T saying floyd is goat. He's saying based off of floyd's talent, accomplishment and domination why does floyd as a fighter have no right to claim or believe he is the goat..

And as I stated before, even if you leave out the fact that his level of opposition is severely lacking, floyd is still an idiot for claiming it because he dorsnt
Have a single accomplishment that isnt completely eclipsed by another fighter.

fine and good. to be honest i rarely read the entirety of these OP's, as it's the discussion i'm really after. anybody who mentions floyd in GOAT capacity isnt worth hearing out.

i just thought i'd let him know why

[studentofthegam]

You're welcome.



Apology accepted.



It doesn't matter where you perceive to be the 'king' and it's nothing to do with England, the simple fact is that no matter what way you slice it a fighter gets more credit for leaving his backyard (and home country) to take on other champions. Whereas other great fighters have done this, Mayweather never did this, despite all his hollow intentions.



Home fight, crooked ref, and at 147lbs (when Hatton was a natural 140lber)

LOL

Ts ISN'T saying floyd is goat. He's saying based off of floyd's talent, accomplishment and domination why does floyd as a fighter have no right to claim or believe he is the goat..

And as I stated before, even if you leave out the fact that his level of opposition is severely lacking, floyd is still an idiot for claiming it because he dorsnt
Have a single accomplishment that isnt completely eclipsed by another fighter.

Thats what I asked. Thank you for reading the question. There is no solid GOAT because its just all our opinions and they will differ from person to person.

[urrah]

But no, it's not fair to say he is the best of all time. I would pick Oscar, and Mosley in the 90's to beat the best Mayweather. Oh, and Castillo damned near did beat him.

that's why they fight the fights. Imagine if Ali or Robinson had gone undefeated? My god, no one in the history of combat would have stood a chance, mythically, with those two. But they fought the fights, they fought the best available to them, and they lost, as most do.

Favour Mayweather over everyone around his class all you want, but it's not always indicative. And it doesn't give him a W on his resume by default. And I'm a Floyd fan.

Mosley ducked Floyd in 99 and DLH ducked Mayweather in 03 and 05, and only fought him in 07 because he couldn't coax Trinidad out of retirement.

Mayweather beats any version of Mosley and DLH on the same night.

floyd left a lot of fights on the table. maybe not all were his fault but fact is he never fought many of the top guys in his divison. freitas and casamayor at 130. spadafora at 135. tszyu at 140. cotto, margarito and williams at 147. he called out winky wright, winky accepted and floyd said nevermind. still hasn't fought pacquiao or martinez.

it must also be taken into consideration that the two best fighters he's fought were de la hoya and mosley and both were way past their best. not to say floyd couldn't still beat them but they would have been different fights.

i do think floyd is an all time great but to make a case for yourself as the greatest of all time you got to take tougher fights than he has.

Spadafora? Mayweather ducked Spadafora? LMAO when Floyd retires you'll probably say he ducked Maidana.

For the record, Casamayor and Freitas weren't known to the public until the early 2000's by which time Mayweather had moved up to LW, Mayweather offered to fight Tszyu but Tszyu chose Hatton instead, I've never heard Mayweather call out Winky and I'd be surprised if he did seeing as Winky was in his prime at LMW when Floyd was still at LW, Martinez ruled himself out of the May 5 fight because he didn't want to cancel Macklin, and Floyd would have fought Pacquiao 3 years ago if Pac had've signed with GB instead of TR.

And Mayweather was past his best when he fought DLH and Mosley as well.

It's ludicrous to say Mayweather is the GOAT, because other fighters have been just as talented, and just as dominant, while beating better fighters. Floyd is a great, but no where near the greatest. It's blind nuthugging to consider him anywhere near the greatest.

Who? Nobody has fought the calibre of opposition Mayweather has while remaining unbeaten.