If you cant pick anyone that realistically beats a guy for a full 15 years then why

[Brother Jay]

Might as well throw in Joe Calzaghe in the mix too. He went undefeated because he's just that good.

Calzaghe literally hid out for years in a talentless box and waited for Jones, Hopkins and any other prime MW-LtHW to age. This is no opinion. I remember the talks about getting Calzaghe to come out of his backyard to the mecca so that he could "come and get some".

He took a page straight out of Darius Michalczewski's playbook with that nonsense.

Neither Calzaghe or Michalczewski wanted ANY parts of a prime Roy Jones. Joe knew the only chance that he had was to wait until Jones lost a step.

The idea that Joe Calzaghe was dominant @168 is pure fantasy supported by a padded and very much protected record.

[Bushbaby]

This tread is an epic fail. Winky & the Punisher prime, beat the $h!t outa Floyd. If Floyd realisticallt beat the top fighters in every division (and not get ran out of his own damn interview from Margarito) maybe you could claim such ludicrus things,

[turbotime]

no it's not fair to say he is the best of all time. I would pick Oscar, and Mosley in the 90's to beat the best Mayweather. Oh, and Castillo damned near did beat him.

that's why they fight the fights. Imagine if Ali or Robinson had gone undefeated? My god, no one in the history of combat would have stood a chance, mythically, with those two. But they fought the fights, they fought the best available to them, and they lost, as most do.

Favour Mayweather over everyone around his class all you want, but it's not always indicative. And it doesn't give him a W on his resume by default. And I'm a Floyd fan.
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[Big_L]

floyd left a lot of fights on the table. maybe not all were his fault but fact is he never fought many of the top guys in his divison. freitas and casamayor at 130. spadafora at 135. tszyu at 140. cotto, margarito and williams at 147. he called out winky wright, winky accepted and floyd said nevermind. still hasn't fought pacquiao or martinez.

it must also be taken into consideration that the two best fighters he's fought were de la hoya and mosley and both were way past their best. not to say floyd couldn't still beat them but they would have been different fights.

i do think floyd is an all time great but to make a case for yourself as the greatest of all time you got to take tougher fights than he has.

[Weebler I]

is it blasfemy for him to think he is the best ever?

Your thread title is b/s, the guy ducked and dodged plenty of prime fighters who could/would have beat him, he never fought away from home either. You should visit the history section of the forum for your answer.

Still, you can think it if you like, just don't expect others to agree with such nuthuggery.

p.s. it's "blasphemy"

[Weebler I]

Calzaghe literally hid out for years in a talentless box and waited for Jones, Hopkins and any other prime MW-LtHW to age. This is no opinion. I remember the talks about getting Calzaghe to come out of his backyard to the mecca so that he could "come and get some".

He took a page straight out of Darius Michalczewski's playbook with that nonsense.

Neither Calzaghe or Michalczewski wanted ANY parts of a prime Roy Jones. Joe knew the only chance that he had was to wait until Jones lost a step.

The idea that Joe Calzaghe was dominant @168 is pure fantasy supported by a padded and very much protected record.

"Prime" Roy Jones is the equivalent of a prime Marion Jones but where athletics abhors its cheats, sadly blinkered boxing fans still hang on to theirs.

This is one area where Mayweather sends out the right message, we need to clean up this sport.

[studentofthegam]

But no, it's not fair to say he is the best of all time. I would pick Oscar, and Mosley in the 90's to beat the best Mayweather. Oh, and Castillo damned near did beat him.

that's why they fight the fights. Imagine if Ali or Robinson had gone undefeated? My god, no one in the history of combat would have stood a chance, mythically, with those two. But they fought the fights, they fought the best available to them, and they lost, as most do.

Favour Mayweather over everyone around his class all you want, but it's not always indicative. And it doesn't give him a W on his resume by default. And I'm a Floyd fan.

He came back immediately and dusted Castillo off clearly when he was free of injury. He had to chase DLH and Mosley down so we cant blame him for dominating them later in their careers. Please dont tell me oyu thought the DLH fight was a true split D.

This tread is an epic fail. Winky & the Punisher prime, beat the $h!t outa Floyd. If Floyd realisticallt beat the top fighters in every division (and not get ran out of his own damn interview from Margarito) maybe you could claim such ludicrus things,

Drunk again? I like Winky and Paul but come on.

floyd left a lot of fights on the table. maybe not all were his fault but fact is he never fought many of the top guys in his divison. freitas and casamayor at 130. spadafora at 135. tszyu at 140. cotto, margarito and williams at 147. he called out winky wright, winky accepted and floyd said nevermind. still hasn't fought pacquiao or martinez.

it must also be taken into consideration that the two best fighters he's fought were de la hoya and mosley and both were way past their best. not to say floyd couldn't still beat them but they would have been different fights.

i do think floyd is an all time great but to make a case for yourself as the greatest of all time you got to take tougher fights than he has.

He called Casa and Freitas out when they were hot. Dont know the behind the scenes details but I heard that with my own ears. To dig up Spaddy is really reaching. Cotto, maybe there was fire before the smoke but if youre chasing DLH whats a fight with Cotto worth. Its just business. Called out Tszyu. Not so familiar with Winky Wright and Floyd having any dealings. Well Margs cancelled himself from any boxing topics for the next 50 years in my book.

Your thread title is b/s, the guy ducked and dodged plenty of prime fighters who could/would have beat him, he never fought away from home either. You should visit the history section of the forum for your answer.

Still, you can think it if you like, just don't expect others to agree with such nuthuggery.

p.s. it's "blasphemy"

Good spell check. thank you. And vegas is the king of boxing right now so whats your damn point. Sorry I didnt capitalize the V in Vegas. No one has to come to England to be great. He knocked your boy clean out. How good was he in your book?

[shadeyfizzle]

Personally Im a big fan of Zags since you mentioned him. He is definitely ranked higher on my list than most. But in this conversation he doesnt belong because he hasnt had any where near the unblimished domination Floyd has had. Just on his ass too many times. Hell of a fighter though he receives much hate

Dont know him man to man but I do love that boxing of his.

But calzaghe has the record for most successful title defenses in history as well as having an equally undefeated record as floyd.

What does floyd really have going for him to really validate him thinking he's the greatest ever???

Most titles captured??? Nope. 10x champion > 7x champ
Most linear titles??? Nope. 4 by pac > 3 by floyd
Most successful title defenses??? Nope
Most weightclasses successfully navigated??? Nope
Most wins undefeated??? Not even close. Robinson had about 100win undefeated streak.

**** floyd cant even claim to be the highest earning fighter of all time.

Being talented enough to POSSIBLY be the goat dont mean **** when you dont have a single accomplishment that isnt eclipsed by another fighter. Or else we'd have to include ruben carter in the goat discussion.

[-Kev-]

He can't be considered GOAT because he's not from the old school when they normally had 100 fights and 15 round fights.

That was sarcasm, but really, Roy Jones Jr has more of a GOAT status than Mayweather, and Roy is not even the top 10 ATG list.

Mayweather can never become the GOAT, because he would be favored against anybody from 140 to 160. He's supposed to beat everybody in his path. The only way he would be considered to be the GOAT is if he goes up to 168-175 and beats Andre Ward and Bernard Hopkins right now. Do you think that is possible? No it's not, not even with PED's. Floyd can beat the best around his weight classes, Pacquiao, Martinez, Bradley, Alvarez, Cotto, that wouldn't get him anywhere near GOAT, let alone top 10 ATG. To me, from my limited time watching boxing(late 90's-present) i'd say Floyd is the 2nd best boxer I have ever seen in my time, followed by Hopkins, #1 is Roy Jones Jr.

[daggum]

Is it not common knowledge that Floyd has faced tougher competition then Calzaghe and Chavez or does the TS REALLY need to spoon feed you idiots...

floyd hasn't fought anyone as good as hopkins and even though calzaghe should have lost that fight at least he fought him and didn't demand more than 50 percent or some other ****** shi-t for 3 + years. has he beaten anyone on the level of hagler, hearns, duran, benitez all in or near their prime? that's 4 better wins that leonard has over anyone floyd has beaten. how can floyd be better than him?