If Pacquaio isnt at a disadvantage, it isnt a fair fight!

[Heeb]

It doesnt? So are u saying that a fighter would be just as effective if he puts on no weight and comes in on fight night the same as his previous day weigh in weight? LOL. If it "doesnt mean *****", why do 99% of boxers do it?

Rehydrating and the numbers that come up from it aren't the same thing. Yes, rehydration is necessary. The exact weight of the fighter doesn't.

[gzgz]

pacquaio always has to have a major advantage over you if wanna land a fight with him........

[Heeb]

That's not true.

By coming in that much bigger than your opponent put you at a huge advantage in the sense you can absorb/take your opponents punches a lot better.

If you don't think that's an advantage....then I really don't know what to tell you.

I don't care. It's unofficial weight and should be treated as such. If you can make 147, you're a welterweight. If you can make 154, you're a light middleweight and so on. Someone shouldn't get extra credit for a win because they guy weighed more on fight night.

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[Deevel916]

You simply can't make an argument that he's been at a disadvantage in ANY fight, let alone every fight. You just can't.

Marquez - 37 year old super featherweight WHIPPED THAT ASS

Margarito - Come on

Clottey - Not really that good, not too much bigger, either. Slow, no power, didn't come to fight.

Cotto - Elite p4p fighter...having trouble making the weight and forced to come two pounds down. Now this is a good win regardless, but there's no argument that Pac was at a DISadvantage.

Hatton - Cokehead, fat, shot, not really that good to begin with (fun fighter with a lot of talent but never really all that)

De La Hoya - Pac shoulda been at one here, I'll admit that. BUT he was facing a corpse who's plan backfired. It's not like De La Hoya thought he was gonna come in like a scrub.

Where did I ever say he's been at a disadvantage for every fight? If you read the thread title correctly, all I stated was that it seems as if he's NOT at a disadvantage, he gets criticized.

If Hatton was a cokehead, fat, not really good to begin with, then I guess all that applies to Floyd's win as well. As for being shot, he only lost 1 fight.

Cotto was not drained. He even said so himself when asked. Cotto clearly stated that weight wasnt the issue and it was Pac's speed that troubled him. "The weight wasnt a problem. I felt good. The problem was his speed. I didnt know where the punches were coming from". I can also clearly recall nobody complaining about a 145 catchweight given that Cotto weighed in only 1lb heaver for Clottey.

Pac was criticized for fighting a Clottey who was coming off a loss to Cotto. The same Cotto that most claimed actually lost to Clottey. Which is it? LOL.

Oscar was actually the one who called for the Pac fight at 147. If he f'd up and screwed up by losing too much weight for the weigh in, who's fault is that? I can clearly recall the majority of fight fans claiming that Cotto's body attack and Oscars size would be too much for Pac to overcome.

[Deevel916]

I don't care. It's unofficial weight and should be treated as such. If you can make 147, you're a welterweight. If you can make 154, you're a light middleweight and so on. Someone shouldn't get extra credit for a win because they guy weighed more on fight night.

If you can make 147 and 154, the majority of the time its because the fighter starved and dehydrated to get to that weight in order to make weight then pack on lbs over night to have an advantage over his opponent. If you're fighting in the WW division, there should be no reason why you come in the ring as a MW. If you're fighting in the MW division, there should be no reason why you're entering the ring 170+. This is why same day weigh in's need to be brought back. If a fighter wants to damn near kill himself in order to legally cheat the scales, then consequences should fall on his own shoulders.

Would JCC JR been as effective against Rubio had he kept his corpse looking fight night weight and came in to the ring as such instead of packing on 20lbs and coming in at 180?

[Heeb]

If you can make 147 and 154, the majority of the time its because the fighter starved and dehydrated to get to that weight in order to make weight then pack on lbs over night to have an advantage over his opponent. If you're fighting in the WW division, there should be no reason why you come in the ring as a MW. If you're fighting in the MW division, there should be no reason why you're entering the ring 170+. This is why same day weigh in's need to be brought back. If a fighter wants to damn near kill himself in order to legally cheat the scales, then consequences should fall on his own shoulders.

That's a whole different issue altogether. The fact of the matter is under current rules, fighters do re-hydrate and that's just the way sport is. It's not cheating at all. All fighters do it. If you think that makes Pac at a disadvantage, tell him to move back down in weight.

[turbotime]

If this was the case do we discredit all of Pacquiao's work at 126 and 130 since he was weighing in at junior welter and welter on fight night for those fights?

[CHOWWOKKA]

If this was the case do we discredit all of Pacquiao's work at 126 and 130 since he was weighing in at junior welter and welter on fight night for those fights?

End thread?

[Deevel916]

That's a whole different issue altogether. The fact of the matter is under current rules, fighters do re-hydrate and that's just the way sport is. It's not cheating at all. All fighters do it. If you think that makes Pac at a disadvantage, tell him to move back down in weight.

The way it currently is, you're right. If they allow fighters to rehydrate to whatever weight they want, then so be it. Me personally would prefer to have same day weigh ins to help ensure that each fighter is fighting in his correct division.

As for Pac being at a disadvantage or advantage, all I'm saying is, nomatter what his opponent is, it seems as if the critics only want Pac to be at a disadvantage. CW fights require both fighters to make some sort of sacrifice.