All New Zealand HW boxers are in rugby....

[New England]

sport's first three-division world champion

now we are ****ing talking


if anybody ever talked **** about new zealand and i were a kiwi i would hold up a (this) picture of fitzsimmons with my right hand and crack them with my left


you ever read his book?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

i hate to say it but i love threads like this one


the foreigners really cant win
they never owned the divsision

we kept it in our back pockets

when we adopted other sports we let them have it.

it's really that simple.


they open the discussion
we finish it

You mean you went off to play bootleg sports amongst yourselves when other countries started to compete in boxing?

[SirTomJones]

now we are ****ing talking


if anybody ever talked **** about new zealand and i were a kiwi i would hold up a (this) picture of fitzsimmons with my right hand and crack them with my left


you ever read his book?

i haven't read it.

got a few to get through.

buying the new sugar ray book soon. getting through a Duran and a Hearns book at the me moment.

You recommend it?

[New England]

i haven't read it.

got a few to get through.

buying the new sugar ray book soon. getting through a Duran and a Hearns book at the me moment.

You recommend it?

lots of it is still very relevant in boxing today
it's basically an instruction manual for boxing from 100 plus years back

and outside of that it's great for a laugh
for instance: he's got a full breakdown of how to wrap a guy up in his jacket and pummel him, just like a hockey fight
there are pictures and everything. he's very technical.

it's pretty unbelievable, actually. piece of history.

its online. i'll provide a link.

[SirTomJones]

lots of it is still very relevant in boxing today
it's basically an instruction manual for boxing from 100 plus years back

and outside of that it's great for a laugh
for instance: he's got a full breakdown of how to wrap a guy up in his jacket and pummel him, just like a hockey fight
there are pictures and everything. he's very technical.

it's pretty unbelievable, actually. piece of history.

its online. i'll provide a link.

thanks man appreciated.

[New England]

thanks man appreciated.

http://www.lulu.com/product/ebook/physical-culture-and-self-defense/17566122?productTrackingContext=author_spotlight_153354_

the pdf should be accessible from here for free.

this site is actually terrific for downloading anything old and boxing related. most of it is 100% free too.


you'll love the pictures

he goes through diet
lifestyle
technical stuff

its a lot of fun. quick read too

[Poet682006]

you ever read his book?

I have. I doubt you'll find a bigger Fitzsimmons fan than I am on this site.

Poet

[nomadman]

I agree with New England.

You have the option of making millions playing with a ball. Or making millions getting punched in the face....


yeah, play ball it is.

Yep, soccer takes all out best fighters. There you have it.

Roy Jones who?

[nomadman]

that is not a skill player

actually watching the sport will qualify you on the subject

rugby isnt anywhere near as large as the NFL
not even close

and rugby countries didnt dominate the division before rugby came into the spotlight

that's what happened in the states.

we had the best HW in the world
then all of our great large athletes headed to the NFL and NBA

Here's Joe Frazier, one of the most accomplished and exciting HWs of all time, running the hundred.



Notice something? Yeah, that's right, he was slow as molasses and got beat by an NBA guy. So what's your excuse for why Elvin Hayes wasn't boxing back then? He was clearly the faster athlete, with the longer reach.

Moving on...

Here's Joe lifting weights.



He does a bit better here, (though his first lift shouldn't have counted), but he still doesn't take first place. And he wasn't exactly competing against massively powerful guys was he?

If anyone thinks I'm insulting Frazier here, they're wrong. Joe was a prime example of why athleticism doesn't hold a candle to grit, determination and heart. He would have beaten the pulp out of all those guys blindfolded, including ATG Elvin Hayes, and barely broken a sweat. Why? Because he was a fighter.

That's the important thing that's being lost here.

[110110110]

Prime Tua had the most damaging left hook in history of boxing IMO