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  • #11
    Originally posted by PRBOXINGCOTTO View Post
    Cotto will beat floyd stop thinking floyd is the best cotto is the toughest fighter floyd has fought floyd is not that fast has no offense and gets hit more then ever now

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    • #12
      As much as I like Cotto's personality I never saw anything technically in him that had me believe he would beat Floyd. Everyone knows or should that Arum did not want to put Cotto in the ring with Floyd at 140. Also Floyd dusted off Henry Bruseles (Cotto's sparring partner and friend) who Cotto helped Bruseles prepare for AND has his uncle in his corner. Not saying Bruseles was anywhere near being as good as Cotto but Floyd would have handled Cotto the same.

      Miguel was getting rocked by lesser fighters in the division and was on chicken legs. Floyd mops Cotto at 140 no question. 147 Cotto was good but as he stepped up his competition it got tougher for him to rely on his punching power. Zab busted his face open and had Cotto resorting to low blows to get out of it (ironic because Zab did it to Floyd prior).

      Cotto went tooth and nail with Mosley at 36 and Margarito pressured him. Cotto's style has always been, he'll take some to give some. Dude chin is too open and he has a hard time adjusting if nothing is working. Stamina and mental strength alone from Floyd beats Cotto and always has. People expect me to believe Cotto in his prime who got wobbled at 140 and went tooth and nail with top tier fighters was supposed to be the guy who Floyd ducked and who was scared to fight? Once Cotto left Arum the fight happened no problem.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
        As much as I like Cotto's personality I never saw anything technically in him that had me believe he would beat Floyd. Everyone knows or should that Arum did not want to put Cotto in the ring with Floyd at 140. Also Floyd dusted off Henry Bruseles (Cotto's sparring partner and friend) who Cotto helped Bruseles prepare for AND has his uncle in his corner. Not saying Bruseles was anywhere near being as good as Cotto but Floyd would have handled Cotto the same.

        Miguel was getting rocked by lesser fighters in the division and was on chicken legs. Floyd mops Cotto at 140 no question. 147 Cotto was good but as he stepped up his competition it got tougher for him to rely on his punching power. Zab busted his face open and had Cotto resorting to low blows to get out of it (ironic because Zab did it to Floyd prior).

        Cotto went tooth and nail with Mosley at 36 and Margarito pressured him. Cotto's style has always been, he'll take some to give some. Dude chin is too open and he has a hard time adjusting if nothing is working. Stamina and mental strength alone from Floyd beats Cotto and always has. People expect me to believe Cotto in his prime who got wobbled at 140 and went tooth and nail with top tier fighters was supposed to be the guy who Floyd ducked and who was scared to fight? Once Cotto left Arum the fight happened no problem.
        floyd got wobbled by corley and so did cotto it has nothing to do with it though.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by VaBoriKua2012 View Post
          floyd got wobbled by corley and so did cotto it has nothing to do with it though.
          Floyd did get wobbled by Corley no doubt but that's not my point. My point is that at 140 Floyd stomps Cotto. Arum didn't want it period. Should not be no debate on that. Cotto is a good fighter but I just never saw anything in him to make him a threat to Floyd.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Reloaded View Post
            Pac refuses to fight Cotto without a draining CW , thats a fact !!!!!! , dont talk about blabber kid because your kissing ass that dont deserve it , what Pac has done with weights with the sole aim of advantaging himself is a disgrace , he is a WW hype job he just ducked Cotto and went looking for a 140 pounder , Pac has become a joke !
            This is funny coming from you, because Manny went down in weight to fight Hatton but Hatton had to move up to face Floyd... I agree it's not as bad as making a guy come down 7 pounds instead of up, but the logic still stands. Also Manny did pick the universal #1 JWW so you can't hate on him that much, the match is legit.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
              As much as I like Cotto's personality I never saw anything technically in him that had me believe he would beat Floyd. Everyone knows or should that Arum did not want to put Cotto in the ring with Floyd at 140. Also Floyd dusted off Henry Bruseles (Cotto's sparring partner and friend) who Cotto helped Bruseles prepare for AND has his uncle in his corner. Not saying Bruseles was anywhere near being as good as Cotto but Floyd would have handled Cotto the same.

              Miguel was getting rocked by lesser fighters in the division and was on chicken legs. Floyd mops Cotto at 140 no question. 147 Cotto was good but as he stepped up his competition it got tougher for him to rely on his punching power. Zab busted his face open and had Cotto resorting to low blows to get out of it (ironic because Zab did it to Floyd prior).

              Cotto went tooth and nail with Mosley at 36 and Margarito pressured him. Cotto's style has always been, he'll take some to give some. Dude chin is too open and he has a hard time adjusting if nothing is working. Stamina and mental strength alone from Floyd beats Cotto and always has. People expect me to believe Cotto in his prime who got wobbled at 140 and went tooth and nail with top tier fighters was supposed to be the guy who Floyd ducked and who was scared to fight? Once Cotto left Arum the fight happened no problem.
              Cotto went tooth and nail with Mosley at 36... So Floyd is 35, Manny is 32, Sergio is 35 Klits are in their mid and upper 30's, Hopkins is 67. This isn't the 70's and before man, science and medicine are BETTER and fighters are fighting less. What was true 30-40 years ago doesn't necessarilly stand true today. Or... do you think the world is flat?

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Beater_of_ass View Post
                Cotto went tooth and nail with Mosley at 36... So Floyd is 35, Manny is 32, Sergio is 35 Klits are in their mid and upper 30's, Hopkins is 67. This isn't the 70's and before man, science and medicine are BETTER and fighters are fighting less. What was true 30-40 years ago doesn't necessarilly stand true today. Or... do you think the world is flat?
                Don't get so emotional. My point is that Cotto was primed and undefeated at that time and he was basically dominating guys until he started fighting more durable fighters that could take his punch and pressure away. Mosley and his pops didn't even know what round they were in when they were fighting. I think Cotto did enough to win that fight against Mosley but others will debate it. If Cotto had a tough time with that version of Mosley at 147 then what would a Floyd fight have been like? I wish it had happened then but ain't trying to say Floyd ducked Cotto especially with Arum being in the equation.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by Beater_of_ass View Post
                  This is funny coming from you, because Manny went down in weight to fight Hatton but Hatton had to move up to face Floyd... I agree it's not as bad as making a guy come down 7 pounds instead of up, but the logic still stands. Also Manny did pick the universal #1 JWW so you can't hate on him that much, the match is legit.
                  An undefeated Hatton didn't want to fight Mayweather at 140. Him or Cotto (Both were at the Gatti fight as potential opponents) Atleast Arum didn't want it yet. Also Hatton fought at 147 before he fought Floyd and won a title from Collazo. And before you say he arguably lost that fight. Sure, we probably agree on that because Collazo has been a tough fight for a lot of boxers/fighters. Hatton had tested the waters there prior so to say Floyd made him move up like it was a handicap is ridiculous.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
                    As much as I like Cotto's personality I never saw anything technically in him that had me believe he would beat Floyd. Everyone knows or should that Arum did not want to put Cotto in the ring with Floyd at 140. Also Floyd dusted off Henry Bruseles (Cotto's sparring partner and friend) who Cotto helped Bruseles prepare for AND has his uncle in his corner. Not saying Bruseles was anywhere near being as good as Cotto but Floyd would have handled Cotto the same.

                    Miguel was getting rocked by lesser fighters in the division and was on chicken legs. Floyd mops Cotto at 140 no question. 147 Cotto was good but as he stepped up his competition it got tougher for him to rely on his punching power. Zab busted his face open and had Cotto resorting to low blows to get out of it (ironic because Zab did it to Floyd prior).

                    Cotto went tooth and nail with Mosley at 36 and Margarito pressured him. Cotto's style has always been, he'll take some to give some. Dude chin is too open and he has a hard time adjusting if nothing is working. Stamina and mental strength alone from Floyd beats Cotto and always has. People expect me to believe Cotto in his prime who got wobbled at 140 and went tooth and nail with top tier fighters was supposed to be the guy who Floyd ducked and who was scared to fight? Once Cotto left Arum the fight happened no problem.
                    Floyd fights for a Living I never thought he was scared. Those point ms you make about Cotto do nothing to invalidate him being a threat to Floyd, he's just vulnerable, we Ll knew that thanks. Cotto is a threat bc he can box and has a great chin, he gets hit by MW's and is good. He has a stiff jab, active. Hes gotten better at blocking uppercuts and has a great trainer with renewed confidence Nd a comfortBle weight. Cotto is tougher than Floyd in all aspects. He never said Floyd lives in Nevada. He never retired and came back to fight a Lightweight. Lol. Cotto would have TKO Marquez, too strong. Cotto stamina issues are less apparent, he was still throwing landing hard combos in the 9th vs Cheato, a very busy guy. Truth is, Cotto was cheated against and had to build himself up and may has not fought a decent live opponent in years. Since DLH or Castillo. **** him vs Marquez, which by the way has no indication on Pac vs Floyd bc they have each others # and styles figured out. If you want to out it like that Pac dropped Marquez if previous fights and Floyd basicLly avoided confronting Marquez during theirs. Plus Cotto has TKO every guy but Mosley he and Floyd both fought, while Floyd gets decisions. That don't mean Cotto will win right? Cotto been whipped Mosely, Stop it with the struggl this and what if that. Floyd avoids top fights with dudes who have a chance. DLH was Not prime buddy. Floyd was gaining my respect calling Pac out but he priced himself out, no bueno. If Cotto beats may and gets to #1 P4P I want to hear the excuse. Don't ever compare that SP Bruseles to Cotto guTs all he was. He never blossomed into champ material, he was amaTeur, 2 levels or 3 below Cotto. Cotto would BODY him in a real fight. Mayweather would never stand up to plaster for 11 rounds, didn't even want to fight Margs, not fear but not wanting to risk. Your boy will get hit when Cotto comes in and out, he's watching for the right hand counter and bringing the jab to his face, Diaz knows how to beat Floyd but Cotto has to listen, which I think he will.
                    Last edited by PRking718; 02-08-2012, 05:56 AM.

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                    • #20
                      Quote from GRUSTLER'S comment; "Everyone knows or should that Arum did not want to put Cotto in the ring with Floyd at 140."

                      In his 140 years I was pretty close to the Cotto team and a frequent visitor to the then Cotto based Bairoa gym. Yes, the fight with Floyd was discussed but not too enthusiactically for various reason. For one, the fight wasn't as financially 'hot' back then and Mayweather wanted wanted 75% all the revenue and 100% of the exters perks. His now late father and uncle/ex-trainer Evangelista admitted that at 140 the already weight struggling Miguel wuoldn't be at his best for a caliber fighter like Floyd and that the fight would be worth MUCH MORE in the future. THEY WERE RIGHT!! This I know first hand. Another thing to consider is that when Cotto moved up 147 he publicly stated that he was ready to fight Floyd but it was Mayweather that then uttered those still vaguely "unforgettable" post fight words, "I won't let boxing retire me, I'll retire from boxing.... bla, bla, bla..." and "tearfully" announced his retirement, or something to that effect. REMEMBER?? Okay, now it's looks like it's finally gonna happen. Many are predicting complete Mayweather blowout. A BLOWOUT?? hmmm... I don't see it that way. Do I believe Cotto will win?? ahhh.. NO, not really. But it WON'T be the one-sides blowout that many on this site are predicting. Do I completely disregard Cotto possibilities? ahhh... NO! Cotto is NO ONE'S Gatti, with all due respects to boxing's late Ultimate Warrior, and will prove it on May 5th.

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