Comments Thread For: J. Mayweather Talks Floyd-Cotto, Saul Alvarez, More

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Quote from GRUSTLER'S comment; "Everyone knows or should that Arum did not want to put Cotto in the ring with Floyd at 140."

In his 140 years I was pretty close to the Cotto team and a frequent visitor to the then Cotto based Bairoa Gym in Caguas. Yes, the fight with Floyd was discussed but not too enthusiastically for various reason. For one, the fight wasn't as financially 'hot' back then and Mayweather wanted wanted 75% all the revenue and 100% of the extra perks. His now late father and uncle/ex-trainer Evangelista admitted that at 140 the already weight struggling Miguel wouldn't be at his best for a caliber fighter like Floyd and that the fight would be worth MUCH MORE in the future. THEY WERE RIGHT!! This I know first hand. Another thing to consider is that when Cotto moved up 147 he publicly stated that he was ready to fight Floyd but it was Mayweather that then uttered those still vaguely "unforgettable" post fight words, "I won't let boxing retire me, I'll retire from boxing.... bla, bla, bla..." and "tearfully" announced his retirement, or something to that effect. REMEMBER?? Okay, now it's looks like it's finally gonna happen. Many are predicting complete Mayweather blowout. A BLOWOUT?? hmmm... I don't see it that way. Do I believe Cotto will win?? ahhh.. NO, not really. But it WON'T be the one-sided blowout that many on this site are predicting. Do I completely disregard Cotto possibilities? ahhh... NO! Cotto is NO ONE'S Gatti, with all due respects to boxing's late Ultimate Warrior, and will prove it on May 5th.

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Maybe should name Floyd "The Vulture" Mayweather.

He waits until the opponent is shot before he fights them. So there is no need for catchweights and etc. Floyd will fight Martinez once he sees the guy's decline.

Floyd fights either small fighters or shot ones and his fans get an ****** with his fights with less than 30 punches per round.

Floyd's messing with your head, so time to wake up and realize that the guy has not been fighting threats since Castillo.

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marquez is never a leftover he's that good, FMW shut him out, could pac do that?hell no. now go shine the balls on your pac statue, GMF!

oh yeah it was the best thing ever when pac fought ODLH and hatton, you MF's be killing me with ******ness

Cool story bro! Marquez lost to Pac whether your opinion is he won. Technically he lost a fight with Pac which made him a left over.

Hatton was KOed real good when he fought Pac but went the distance with Mayweather.

ODLH was shot when he both fought Floyd and Pac. Pac fought him by going up a FEW divisions and btw it was not a catchweight, it was within the welterweight limit. But bottomline, ODLH was still shot.


I am not even a Pac fan, i tell the way I see it. Go play with your Floyd doll.

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Quote from GRUSTLER'S comment; "Everyone knows or should that Arum did not want to put Cotto in the ring with Floyd at 140."

In his 140 years I was pretty close to the Cotto team and a frequent visitor to the then Cotto based Bairoa gym. Yes, the fight with Floyd was discussed but not too enthusiactically for various reason. For one, the fight wasn't as financially 'hot' back then and Mayweather wanted wanted 75% all the revenue and 100% of the exters perks. His now late father and uncle/ex-trainer Evangelista admitted that at 140 the already weight struggling Miguel wuoldn't be at his best for a caliber fighter like Floyd and that the fight would be worth MUCH MORE in the future. THEY WERE RIGHT!! This I know first hand. Another thing to consider is that when Cotto moved up 147 he publicly stated that he was ready to fight Floyd but it was Mayweather that then uttered those still vaguely "unforgettable" post fight words, "I won't let boxing retire me, I'll retire from boxing.... bla, bla, bla..." and "tearfully" announced his retirement, or something to that effect. REMEMBER?? Okay, now it's looks like it's finally gonna happen. Many are predicting complete Mayweather blowout. A BLOWOUT?? hmmm... I don't see it that way. Do I believe Cotto will win?? ahhh.. NO, not really. But it WON'T be the one-sides blowout that many on this site are predicting. Do I completely disregard Cotto possibilities? ahhh... NO! Cotto is NO ONE'S Gatti, with all due respects to boxing's late Ultimate Warrior, and will prove it on May 5th.

Good information but lets keep it all the way real. Cotto never pushed for the Mayweather fight. Sure he said he was ready but I saw a video one time when he was asked whether or not he wanted to fight Floyd and Cotto said "I fights whoever my promoter puts in front of me". We also know that when Arum wanted Floyd to fight Margarito he said he would if he got 10MIL guarantees from Hatton and Cotto also 20MIL for Oscar but Arum declined and once Floyd left Arum,the Oscar fight happened. Bob Arum pretty much has been a stumbling block for his fighters against Floyd due to their salty split. I'm talking styles and if a prime undefeated Cotto went back and forth with Mosley at 36.

There is no way I believe Cotto would have beat Floyd even back then. I see Floyd mentally discouraging Cotto and out lasting him stamina wise and hitting him at will. Cotto's going to come out strong but once he sees Floyd is able to neutralize him, Cotto is going to dance back wards and try to regroup while Mayweather pushing forward. I'm pretty sure with this. Don't know why people are getting so emotional with this. I respect Cotto but stylistically, he was never able to beat Floyd in my opinion.

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Cool story bro! Marquez lost to Pac whether your opinion is he won. Technically he lost a fight with Pac which made him a left over.

Hatton was KOed real good when he fought Pac but went the distance with Mayweather.

ODLH was shot when he both fought Floyd and Pac. Pac fought him by going up a FEW divisions and btw it was not a catchweight, it was within the welterweight limit. But bottomline, ODLH was still shot.


I am not even a Pac fan, i tell the way I see it. Go play with your Floyd doll.

That's why after 3 fights people are still saying Marquez beat Pac. Didn't Pac say he wanted a 4th fight? What happened? If Pac really won then he would not be talking about another fight. Pac had to beg his Pinoy peoples to say he won the 3rd fight? Ha ha ha ha! that ain't no left over homie. I say their second fight could have went either way as well. It's been YEARS! Pac still don't have a clean cut win over Marquez. Floyd toyed with JMM and Pac struggled and got smacked up 2 years later at the same catch weight Marquez looked suspect at against Mayweather.

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That's why after 3 fights people are still saying Marquez beat Pac. Didn't Pac say he wanted a 4th fight? What happened? If Pac really won then he would not be talking about another fight. Pac had to beg his Pinoy peoples to say he won the 3rd fight? Ha ha ha ha! that ain't no left over homie. I say their second fight could have went either way as well. It's been YEARS! Pac still don't have a clean cut win over Marquez. Floyd toyed with JMM and Pac struggled and got smacked up 2 years later at the same catch weight Marquez looked suspect at against Mayweather.

The matches were pretty even and it could have went the other way. But in the end Pac was declared the official winner so anyone's opinion doesn't matter. I had JMM winning the third fight but we need to accept whatever decisions the officials made whether your opinion says otherwise.

You can't compare Floyd-Marquez to Floyd-Pac fight because the styles are different. You of all boxing fans should know that styles make fights.

All boxing greats had one opponent who they struggle with stylewise and that has been the fact ever since. I mean who in the world didn't struggle even once in their fights?

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Floyd fights for a Living I never thought he was scared. Those point ms you make about Cotto do nothing to invalidate him being a threat to Floyd, he's just vulnerable, we Ll knew that thanks. Cotto is a threat bc he can box and has a great chin, he gets hit by MW's and is good. He has a stiff jab, active. Hes gotten better at blocking uppercuts and has a great trainer with renewed confidence Nd a comfortBle weight. Cotto is tougher than Floyd in all aspects. He never said Floyd lives in Nevada. He never retired and came back to fight a Lightweight. Lol. Cotto would have TKO Marquez, too strong. Cotto stamina issues are less apparent, he was still throwing landing hard combos in the 9th vs Cheato, a very busy guy. Truth is, Cotto was cheated against and had to build himself up and may has not fought a decent live opponent in years. Since DLH or Castillo. **** him vs Marquez, which by the way has no indication on Pac vs Floyd bc they have each others # and styles figured out. If you want to out it like that Pac dropped Marquez if previous fights and Floyd basicLly avoided confronting Marquez during theirs. Plus Cotto has TKO every guy but Mosley he and Floyd both fought, while Floyd gets decisions. That don't mean Cotto will win right? Cotto been whipped Mosely, Stop it with the struggl this and what if that. Floyd avoids top fights with dudes who have a chance. DLH was Not prime buddy. Floyd was gaining my respect calling Pac out but he priced himself out, no bueno. If Cotto beats may and gets to #1 P4P I want to hear the excuse. Don't ever compare that SP Bruseles to Cotto guTs all he was. He never blossomed into champ material, he was amaTeur, 2 levels or 3 below Cotto. Cotto would BODY him in a real fight. Mayweather would never stand up to plaster for 11 rounds, didn't even want to fight Margs, not fear but not wanting to risk. Your boy will get hit when Cotto comes in and out, he's watching for the right hand counter and bringing the jab to his face, Diaz knows how to beat Floyd but Cotto has to listen, which I think he will.

Since you are so confident then bet me all of your points on Cotto. Cotto didn't whip Mosley. Did you see the fight? I think Cotto did enough to win but others have and will disagree. Cotto beat Corley and Zab after Floyd beat them and sure Cotto TKO'd them or KO'd them but the Corley fight had him on chicken legs and Zab had Cotto in big trouble to the point he hit Zab low twice. Cotto grill was busted wide open. Floyd didn't take as much punishment fighting them guys as Cotto and that's a fact. Cotto's main strength was/is his punch and once you take that away then he is very beatable if you fight smart. Floyd became the Lineal champ at 147 technically twice. Avoided? Floyd was/is considered one of the best Jr light weights in the sport. Dude called out everyone on his way up including Mosley at 135 and Oscar. After Bruseles, Floyd went to 147 after Mosley and Oscar. What are you talking about? I'm confident in my prediction so if you want to bet then lets do it.

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The matches were pretty even and it could have went the other way. But in the end Pac was declared the official winner so anyone's opinion doesn't matter. I had JMM winning the third fight but we need to accept whatever decisions the officials made whether your opinion says otherwise.

You can't compare Floyd-Marquez to Floyd-Pac fight because the styles are different. You of all boxing fans should know that styles make fights.

All boxing greats had one opponent who they struggle with stylewise and that has been the fact ever since. I mean who in the world didn't struggle even once in their fights?

Yeah style do make fights and Freddie Roach went on record to say that Mayweather style is a problem for Pac. Also,Marquez cannot be a left over because after their fight in 2008. Marquez was winning impressively until he got in the ring with Floyd. De La Hoya was looking like a left over when Pac fought him and Mosley. I don't dog Pac for the Oscar fight because Oscar wanted it that way but Pac didn't want Mosley when he beat Margarito but waited til he was faded indefinitely. Floyd struggled against Castillo in the first fight but clearly beat him in the immediate rematch.

How can people say Floyd is not willing to fight tough guys when he fought Castillo right away because people said he lost? Come on. Pac still hasn't beat JMM convincingly. I'm not going to accept what the judges scored because it was wrong like so many other fights when the fighters got robbed. Just cause they said it on paper don't make it right to the fighters and fans. Bob Arum went to Marquez and said "It's business". Marquez should have won that fight. AND the Marquez who fought Floyd would have still given PAc problems because like you said, style make fights.

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Yeah style do make fights and Freddie Roach went on record to say that Mayweather style is a problem for Pac. Also,Marquez cannot be a left over because after their fight in 2008. Marquez was winning impressively until he got in the ring with Floyd. De La Hoya was looking like a left over when Pac fought him and Mosley. I don't dog Pac for the Oscar fight because Oscar wanted it that way but Pac didn't want Mosley when he beat Margarito but waited til he was faded indefinitely. Floyd struggled against Castillo in the first fight but clearly beat him in the immediately rematch.

How can people say Floyd is not willing to fight tough guys when he fought Castillo right away because people said he lost? Come on. Pac still hasn't beat JMM convincingly. I'm not going to accept what the judges scored because it was wrong like so many other fights when the fighters got robbed. Just cause they said it on paper don't make it right to the fighters and fans. Bob Arum went to Marquez and said "It's business". Marquez should have won that fight. AND the Marquez who fought Floyd would have still given PAc problems because like you said, style make fights.

If you are not biased, you would agree that Pac's style will give Mayweather problems. Mayweather has a thing about struggling dealing with southpaws. Even his father admitted this fact.

This is why both sides can't make this fight. We can't only say that this is a one side beating in favor of Floyd cause if it is, he already agreed to the biggest fight in history 2 years ago.

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]If you are not biased, you would agree that Pac's style will give Mayweather problems[/B]. Mayweather has a thing about struggling dealing with southpaws. Even his father admitted this fact.

This is why both sides can't make this fight. We can't only say that this is a one side beating in favor of Floyd cause if it is, he already agreed to the biggest fight in history 2 years ago.

I'm not bias but I don't agree that Pac's style will give Floyd problems because not even Pac's trainer thinks so. Roach has been more openly about the problems Floyd will make for Pac then the other way around. I never thought that Pac could beat Floyd because technically Pac has nothing over him. Only thing Pac has his speed but so does Floyd who may be on par with Pac if not faster AND accurate counter punching can slow any fighter down as we witnessed in the 3rd Marquez/Pacquiao fight. Add a tight defensive game and you got Pac getting shut out after 4 rounds. That's just how I feel. You don't have to agree but I'm not going to say Pac gives Floyd problems if I do not believe it to make myself seem not bias. Only one I say giving Floyd some problems is Sergio Martinez at 154 or up. You have to be a thinker and adjusts well against Floyd.