no 1 can complain and floyd-cotto..or manny-bradley

[Barry Halls]

Why do you think Trinidad was so bloated against Jones?

Guys cut weight for a reason.

Just because they weigh a certain amount doesn't necessarily mean they should be fighting their, unless they're ripped. Which Pac is.

Pac is as ripped now as he was at 130. And he weighs only a couple of lbs more on fight night.

Why do you feel like dragging a shot trinidad who had Gotten FAT into the mix?

Your post actually proves my point. So Pac certainly did not gain 15lbs of muscles between Marquez and Oscar.

If you can't see that i don't know what to say. I tried reasoning with yesir, Pacboy and whatever they're called to no avail as well.

[BoxingGenius27]

Pac is as ripped now as he was at 130. And he weighs only a couple of lbs more on fight night.

Why do you feel like dragging a shot trinidad who had Gotten FAT into the mix?

Your post actually proves my point. So Pac certainly did not gain 15lbs of muscles between Marquez and Oscar.

If you can't see that i don't know what to say. I tried reasoning with yesir, Pacboy and whatever they're called to no avail as well.

Like I said, we'll talk about this tomorrow smart guy. We'll see.

[Barry Halls]

I just showed you how he did.

If you don't want to accept it, that's fine, but I don't know what else to tell you.

I'm tired tonight. If you need me to put this in baby terms and break it down for you more tomorrow I'll be more than happy too.

No you didn't show jack**** because you're a ****ing moron.

It's freaking water weight you embicile. I know this.

Look if you don't understand how Pac went up 15 pounds of fighting weight, not water weight, I don't know what to tell you.

Are you flat out ******ed? Do you think he had 15lbs of fluids MORE in his fight with Marquez than in his fight with Oscar? How the flying hell would that even work?

And if you're not trying to argue that (maybe you just can't express yourself despite being a native speaker), then by all means tell me what is it that changed in Pacquiaos body composition to allow him to have seemingly the same bodyfat percentage, gain 15lbs of pure muscles, yet only weigh 3.5lbs more. Please do tell me, because I'm sure Feynman, Niels Bohr and the likes would spin in their graves of this revelation.

It's actually 'imbecile', not embecile. Try to get it right if you want to belittle me.

[BoxingGenius27]

No you didn't show jack**** because you're a ****ing moron.


Are you flat out ******ed? Do you think he had 15lbs of fluids MORE in his fight with Marquez than in his fight with Oscar? How the flying hell would that even work?

And if you're not trying to argue that (maybe you just can't express yourself despite being a native speaker), then by all means tell me what is it that changed in Pacquiaos body composition to allow him to have seemingly the same bodyfat percentage, gain 15lbs of pure muscles, yet only weigh 3.5lbs more. Please do tell me, because I'm sure Feynman, Niels Bohr and the likes would spin in their graves of this revelation.

It's actually 'imbecile', not embecile. Try to get it right if you want to belittle me.

You want to start a spelling bee tonight at 1 o'clock in the morning?

I don't have to belittle anything. Your dumbass is doing it to yourself.

Are you saying Pac put on 15 pounds of pure muscle in one night against Marquez??????

Or did Pac put on 15 pounds of water weight against Marquez?

Which one Carry Balls?

[Barry Halls]

You want to start a spelling bee tonight at 1 o'clock in the morning?

I don't have to belittle anything. Your dumbass is doing it to yourself.

If called an embecile by an imbecile, yeah, sure.

Are you saying Pac put on 15 pounds of pure muscle in one night against Marquez??????

Or did Pac put on 15 pounds of water weight against Marquez?

Which one Carry Balls?

Yes. He did put on the water he had dehydrated from his body.

I assume you've never done combat sports so I'll give you a crash course as to how you cut weight.

You cut carbohydrates, salts and limit your fluid intake before the weigh-in. Sometimes in combination with a sweatsuit, sauna and cardiovascular training to help speed it up. This is why it's called weight cutting.

This fluid is then put back into the system during the 24+ hours from the weighin to the fight.

What did you think it was? Poop?

So as it stands, the difference on the weigh-in was that Pac hadn't cut almost any fluids against Oscar, while he had cut a lot for Marquez.
On fight night, the difference was 3.5lbs, which is most likely lean bodymass aka muscles and fluids bound within the muscles.

Now explain to me again. How did Pacquiao have visibly roughly the same percentage of bodyfat, gain 15lbs of lean bodymass yet only weight 3.5lbs more? Please do tell. Because surely you do not think it's possible for him to fight with 11.5lbs less fluids in his system while carrying an excess of 15lbs in lean body mass?

[BoxingGenius27]

No, but if he fights Andre Ward and weighs in at 164 and shows up on fight night weighin 164 he has not gained 15lbs of muscles from fighting Floyd.

Do you see why?

LMAO So now you're saying Ortiz gained 17 pounds of muscle weight in 1 night when he fought Floyd?

No, it was water weight.

Look at Frankie Edgar for example. He doesn't put on water weight after the weigh in, because it's his natural walking around weight that he's fighting at.

When fighters put on tons of water weight, that's not their actual fighting weight, but water weight.

I don't know why this is so hard for you to grasp.

[BoxingGenius27]

If called an embecile by an imbecile, yeah, sure.


Yes. He did put on the water he had dehydrated from his body.

I assume you've never done combat sports so I'll give you a crash course as to how you cut weight.

You cut carbohydrates, salts and limit your fluid intake before the weigh-in. Sometimes in combination with a sweatsuit, sauna and cardiovascular training to help speed it up. This is why it's called weight cutting.

This fluid is then put back into the system during the 24+ hours from the weighin to the fight.

What did you think it was? Poop?

So as it stands, the difference on the weigh-in was that Pac hadn't cut almost any fluids against Oscar, while he had cut a lot for Marquez.
On fight night, the difference was 3.5lbs, which is most likely lean bodymass aka muscles and fluids bound within the muscles.

Now explain to me again. How did Pacquiao have visibly roughly the same percentage of bodyfat, gain 15lbs of lean bodymass yet only weight 3.5lbs more? Please do tell. Because surely you do not think it's possible for him to fight with 11.5lbs less fluids in his system while carrying an excess of 15lbs in lean body mass?

It's great to know that Harry thinks that Manny wasn't working hard trying to put on weight for the DLH fight.

According to Carrie, Pac was fighting at his natural weight; therefore didn't have to work super hard putting on weight via "special" protein shakes because he was in the same condition as the Marquez fight.

I guess I'll have to show you the videos of Pac actually saying he's putting on weight since you choose to believe he did nothing different in his training routine from when he fought Marquez to DLH.

[BoxingGenius27]

If called an embecile by an imbecile, yeah, sure.


Yes. He did put on the water he had dehydrated from his body.

I assume you've never done combat sports so I'll give you a crash course as to how you cut weight.

You cut carbohydrates, salts and limit your fluid intake before the weigh-in. Sometimes in combination with a sweatsuit, sauna and cardiovascular training to help speed it up. This is why it's called weight cutting.

This fluid is then put back into the system during the 24+ hours from the weighin to the fight.

What did you think it was? Poop?

So as it stands, the difference on the weigh-in was that Pac hadn't cut almost any fluids against Oscar, while he had cut a lot for Marquez.
On fight night, the difference was 3.5lbs, which is most likely lean bodymass aka muscles and fluids bound within the muscles.

Now explain to me again. How did Pacquiao have visibly roughly the same percentage of bodyfat, gain 15lbs of lean bodymass yet only weight 3.5lbs more? Please do tell. Because surely you do not think it's possible for him to fight with 11.5lbs less fluids in his system while carrying an excess of 15lbs in lean body mass?

Pac was working extra hard drinking all those "special" protein shakes just to put only 3.5lb's of muscle against DLH.

In fact, if I remember, there's an interview where Ariza admits Pac put on at least 10-12 pounds of muscle for the DLH fight.

But you're the type that will come up with an excuse even if I showed that to you. Pitiful.

[JOM'S]

I know we want these 2 to fight.but it aint going to happen.move on

now what we have in front of us is.Manny versus Bradley who is undefeated and a proven champion,young and confident..good fight cant wait to watch

Floyd-Cotto-fight everyone begged for now here it is in front of you.Cotto is a champ and rated#1 at 154..Floyds moving up to fight him no catchweight..

true even i wanted manny -floyd but atleast we didnt get 2 bull**** opponents..we got 2 worthy champions..2 fresh new fights..so lets enjoy cause these fights will be damn good neither bradley nor cotto are coming to lose,both have pride and will be there to win.............

agreeable post bro! imho for mayhweather cotto is the 3rd best option behind pac & martinez, which is for real a good fight and I am looking forward to see it...

[bojangles1987]

Bojangles, Pac fought Marquez at 130 in March 08, then fought DLH at 145 in Dec 08. He literally put on 15 pounds of muscle in less than a year. WTF are you talking about?

You don't even know that much and you're trying to tell me Pac can fight the best JMW at 154 but nobody else.

Pac put on 15 pounds of muscle in less than a year almost 4 years ago, and you're telling me with age he can't put on another 7. Yeah, ok. Pac is ripped. A 7 pound move won't be the first time the little fella has "turned heads" with his weight gain.

To answer your question, via PED's, no 7 divisions isn't enough.

And now I remember why I don't talk to you when it comes to Pacquiao. You like to hate.