no 1 can complain and floyd-cotto..or manny-bradley

[eklok]

Get this whole Pac only weighs x amount of pounds out of your head.

Pac's punches are deadly at 147 and have dropped/stopped much bigger opponents.

Pac's speed and power will be perfect at 154 and do just fine.

and you call yourself a genius ? you idiot

[BoxingGenius27]

Why is his fight night weight close to identical with 15lbs of muscles gained?
3.5lbs added from marquez to oscar.

Ortiz was almost a super middleweight when he fought Floyd, I guess he can fight Andre Ward next right?

[Barry Halls]

Ortiz was almost a super middleweight when he fought Floyd, I guess he can fight Andre Ward next right?

No, but if he fights Andre Ward and weighs in at 164 and shows up on fight night weighin 164 he has not gained 15lbs of muscles from fighting Floyd.

Do you see why?

[BoxingGenius27]

You don't care about fight night weights, which is actually the best indicator of size? Instead you feel some obligation to spout off that Pac has gained 15lbs of muscles because he used to fight at 130? Yeah whatever man.

Pac does not punch like a light heavyweight. I guess you may be joking but if not you're clueless.

Oh, please feel free to have a field day proving Pac gained 15lbs of muscles from Marquez 2 -> Dela hoya. It would be most appreciated.

How many lightweights come in on fight night weighing 150 pounds? Does that mean that they should start fighting at WW or JMW?

Ricky Hatton walks around at 185-190, I guess Hatton should've fought at Light Heavy, right?

Regarding Pac's power, let's see:

1. Dropped Shane. Only other one to do that was Vernon Forrest.
2. Shattered Marg's eye. He must be a light puncher to do that.
3. 1 Punch KO'd Hatton; dropped him like 3 times.

Speed kills, but so does power.

[BoxingGenius27]

No, but if he fights Andre Ward and weighs in at 164 and shows up on fight night weighin 164 he has not gained 15lbs of muscles from fighting Floyd.

Do you see why?

Yes, he has. You don't see why.

If Ortiz was fighting at 140 a year ago and is fighting at 164, all muscle against Andre Ward, that's a problem.

Don't you see the difference in Marquez at 144 and Pac at 150?

ALL MUSCLE is the difference.

[Barry Halls]

How many lightweights come in on fight night weighing 150 pounds? Does that mean that they should start fighting at WW or JMW?

I don't know how many should be fighting at ww or jmw. But their body mass remains the same regardless of how much they wan't to cut if they still weigh the same on fight night.

Ricky Hatton walks around at 185-190, I guess Hatton should've fought at Light Heavy, right?

Yes probably, if he wants to fight in that shape. But in reality he weighs around 150~ on fight night so 140 was quite a good fit for him.

Regarding Pac's power, let's see:

1. Dropped Shane. Only other one to do that was Vernon Forrest.
2. Shattered Marg's eye. He must be a light puncher to do that.
3. 1 Punch KO'd Hatton; dropped him like 3 times.

Speed kills, but so does power.

So this somehow means he hits like a light heavyweight? Is that light heavyweight you're comparing him to named Zelenoff?

I'm contesting your statement of Pac gaining 15lbs of muscles. I don't give a **** ass if he can/should hang at 154. Earlier in the thread i said i think hes good enough to make it work.

But HE HAS NOT GAINED 15LBS OF MUSCLES between fighting Marquez and Oscar. Not even close. Very very far from close.

And he does not hit like a light heavyweight unless you mean any lhw in the world.

[BoxingGenius27]

No, but if he fights Andre Ward and weighs in at 164 and shows up on fight night weighin 164 he has not gained 15lbs of muscles from fighting Floyd.

Do you see why?

Why do you think Trinidad was so bloated against Jones?

Guys cut weight for a reason.

Just because they weigh a certain amount doesn't necessarily mean they should be fighting their, unless they're ripped. Which Pac is.

[Barry Halls]

Yes, he has. You don't see why.

If Ortiz was fighting at 140 a year ago and is fighting at 164, all muscle against Andre Ward, that's a problem.

Don't you see the difference in Marquez at 144 and Pac at 150?

ALL MUSCLE is the difference.

All it would mean is that from the Floyd fight and the Ward fight he has not cut the fluids from his system. Wtf do you think hes weighing the same on fight night for? He ate a giant 15lbs burrito before stepping in with Floyd?

[BoxingGenius27]

I don't know how many should be fighting at ww or jmw. But their body mass remains the same regardless of how much they wan't to cut if they still weigh the same on fight night.


Yes probably, if he wants to fight in that shape. But in reality he weighs around 150~ on fight night so 140 was quite a good fit for him.


So this somehow means he hits like a light heavyweight? Is that light heavyweight you're comparing him to named Zelenoff?

I'm contesting your statement of Pac gaining 15lbs of muscles. I don't give a **** ass if he can/should hang at 154. Earlier in the thread i said i think hes good enough to make it work.

But HE HAS NOT GAINED 15LBS OF MUSCLES between fighting Marquez and Oscar. Not even close. Very very far from close.

And he does not hit like a light heavyweight unless you mean any lhw in the world.

I just showed you how he did.

If you don't want to accept it, that's fine, but I don't know what else to tell you.

I'm tired tonight. If you need me to put this in baby terms and break it down for you more tomorrow I'll be more than happy too.

[BoxingGenius27]

All it would mean is that from the Floyd fight and the Ward fight he has not cut the fluids from his system. Wtf do you think hes weighing the same on fight night for? He ate a giant 15lbs burrito before stepping in with Floyd?

It's freaking water weight you embicile. I know this.

Look if you don't understand how Pac went up 15 pounds of fighting weight, not water weight, I don't know what to tell you.