Pound-for-Pound: The Fifty Greatest Boxers Of All-Time

[jrosales13]

how's duran greater then foreman.


please explain............

I'm waiting for this..............

Duran matches Foreman is longevity. Might even surpass it. Duran has a better resume and accomplishments. Duran greatest single victory(Leonard) is better than Foreman greatest single victory(Frazier). Old Duran greatest victory(Barkley) is just as good if not better than an old Foreman greatest victory(Moorer)

Duran dominated and cleaned out the LW division in the 70's.

Foreman best wins are
Frazier(2x)
Lyle
Moorer
Norton

The span(coming back after 10 years) and have the accomplishments that he did along with longevity that Formen had is good enough to make him a top 5 ATG HW IMO.

But, Duran longevity was just as good if not better. And his resume is much deeper.

Marcell(at 130)
Kobayashi
DeJesus(2x)
Ishmatsu
Leonared
Barkley

Duran beat Marcel in 1970 at 130 then went on to beat Jorge Castro in 1997 at 168. Think about that for a second.

IMO Duran is a much greater P4P fighter than Foreman. I don't have Duran in my top 5. I have him just barely outside my top 10. But, there plenty of historians that do have him in the top 10 a few in the top 5. But, to have Foreman ahead of him. I don't see it. But, like said, I guess if you say he is then so be it.

[StarshipTrooper]

welcome back


i wish i had that sort of self control

Yeah, well sometimes even my self-control can be overcome by one ignorant ****** :chuckle9:

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[IronDanHamza]

Duran matches Foreman is longevity. Might even surpass it. Duran has a better resume and accomplishments. Duran greatest single victory(Leonard) is better than Foreman greatest single victory(Frazier). Old Duran greatest victory(Barkley) is just as good if not better than an old Foreman greatest victory(Moorer)

Duran dominated and cleaned out the LW division in the 70's.

Foreman best wins are
Frazier(2x)
Lyle
Moorer
Norton

The span(coming back after 10 years) and have the accomplishments that he did along with longevity that Formen had is good enough to make him a top 5 ATG HW IMO.

But, Duran longevity was just as good if not better. And his resume is much deeper.

Marcell(at 130)
Kobayashi
DeJesus(2x)
Ishmatsu
Leonared
Barkley

Duran beat Marcel in 1970 at 130 then went on to beat Jorge Castro in 1997 at 168. Think about that for a second.

IMO Duran is a much greater P4P fighter than Foreman. I don't have Duran in my top 5. I have him just barely outside my top 10. But, there plenty of historians that do have him in the top 10 a few in the top 5. But, to have Foreman ahead of him. I don't see it. But, like I guess if you say so he is then so be it.

I don't know why you're even entertaining a Foreman >>Duran argument.

I can't believe what the Boxing world is coming to when Foreman is being claimed to be greater than Duran.

For the record, I also have Duran just outside the Top 10. But we're in the miniority.

And he obviously has more than an argument for Top 10.

[intoccabile]

I don't know why you're even entertaining a Foreman >>Duran argument.

I can't believe what the Boxing world is coming to when Foreman is being claimed to be greater than Duran.

For the record, I also have Duran just outside the Top 10. But we're in the miniority.

And he obviously has more than an argument for Top 10.

Just regurgitating my previous post.

The number next to each individual represents where they place Duran in their top 10.

Dave Carlson - 7.
Top five: Robinson, Armstrong, Pep, Louis, Ali.

Burt Sugar - 8.
Top 5: Robinson, Armstrong, Pep, Louis, Greb

Andrew Eisele - 6.
Top 5: Robinson, Ali, Armstrong, Louis, Pep

Kieran Mulvaney (ESPN) - 6.
Top 5: Robinson, Ali, Armstrong, Louis, Pep

Ring Magazine - 5
Top 5: Robinson, Armstrong, Ali, Louis, Duran

Teddy Atlas - 8
Top 5: Robinson, Armstrong, Ali, Leonard (Benny), Langford

Tracy Callis - Not top 10
Top 5: Fitzsimmons, Robinson, Dempsey, Langford, Mitchell

George Blair - No list, quoted for saying Duran was top 10.

Luckett Davis - No list, quoted for saying Duran was top 10, "possibly" 5 in 98.

Monte Cox - 6
Top 5: Gans, Robinson, Greb, Langford, Louis
(Monte Cox is VERY respected)

Max Kellerman - 7
Top 5: Robinson, Armstrong, Ali, Greb, Langford

Jimmy Connors - 6

Look, I can go on and on all day.
I stand corrected, He is not top 5 by the majority, but damn close. And so, I don't see why he is too low on this persons list who is probably not as intelligible as the above mentioned.

Out of curiosity, who do you have before Duran - if you were to compile a list?

[IronDanHamza]

Just regurgitating my previous post.

The number next to each individual represents where they place Duran in their top 10.



Out of curiosity, who do you have before Duran - if you were to compile a list?

Me personally?

Top of my head;

Robinson
Greb
Langford
Armstrong
Charles
Moore
B.Leonard
Fitzsimmons
Pep

I struggled to think of 9 there. Possibly Mickey Walker?

I'd say Duran could easily be ranked above Pep, Walker, Fitzsimmons and Leonard on that list too.

Me personally, the highest I could have Duran is probably #6.

I can't see him being ranked above Robinson,Greb, Langford, Armstrong or Charles (My Top 5) but although I wouldn't have him at #6 he could easily be at #6.

[Verstyle]

These ATG lists make me lol, like anyone has actually watched at least a dozen fights involving hundreds of the best through boxing history and understands them in their context of time.

Do you have any idea how long that would take and how unemployed one would have to be to have the time to do it?

Exactly. Most are lucky enough to see 10 fights from the old time fighters. These list can't be taken serious because of that.

[MRBOOMER]

He doesn't belong in the top 50 and I think everyone knows that. Mr. Fantastic is just a fanatic. Don't get it really. For the most part, Oscar was a mean SOB in the ring but I find it hard to be a fan of someone who probably spends his days lounging around the GBP offices waiting for a fresh-faced boxer to walk in so he can get his grope on.

I never said top fifty either lol in the last twenty years those he should be considered somewhere on a atg list low on a all time maybe non existent
But for this time period yes

[DiegoFuego]

It actually starts off well, but Hopkins and Roy should be above De La Hoya. I'm not sure how Holyfield got left off or Calzaghe got put on either.

[WESS]

http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=30514&more=1

by james slater: A while back (in 2008) i contributed an article to esb in which i gave my honest opinion on the 50 finest boxers in the sport’s history. No easy task to compile, my list was met with some approval, some utter disgust and some opinion somewhere in the middle.

Here i give here my revised list of the fifty finest pugilists of all-time; where a few changes have been made. Once again, disagreement, even angst, will no doubt be felt by a few readers - perhaps even more than a few. But, as i wrote last time, you must understand that this list was written with absolutely no axe to grind, and that if serious disagreement is felt then perhaps the writing of another list should be undertaken by the person (or persons) who so feel so strongly against mine.

My fifty choices now follow. And remember, it’s only my opinion.


1. Sugar ray robinson
2. Henry armstrong
3. Muhammad ali
4. Roberto duran
5. Ezzard charles
6. Benny leonard
7. Archie moore
8. Willie pep
9. Harry greb
10. Joe louis
11. Joe gans
12. Sam langford
13. Jimmy wilde
14. Gene tunney
15. Charley burley
16. Billy conn
17. Jack johnson
18. Edre jofre
19. Sugar ray leonard
20. Barney ross/kid gavilan (tie)
21. Marvellous marvin hagler
22. Jack dempsey
23. Pernell whitaker/roy jones junior (tie)
24. Stanley ketchell
25. Julio cesar chavez
26. Tony canzoneri
27. Rocky marciano
28. Carlos monzon
29. Sandy saddler
30. Michael spinks
31. Jimmy mclarnin
32. Thomas hearns
33. Bob foster
34. George foreman
35. Mickey walker
36. Terry mcgovern
37. Larry holmes
38. Mickey walker
39. Floyd mayweather junior
40. Joe frazier
41. Ricardo lopez
42. Jake lamotta
43. Salvador sanchez
44. Alexis arguello
45. Marcel cerdan
46. Emile griffith
47. Ted kid lewis
48. Oscar de la hoya
49. Lennox lewis
50. joe calzaghe/aaron pryor (tie)

epic fail....