Comments Thread For: Vitali Klitschko States: I Can Leave Boxing at Any Time

[Jedi Vader]

Because MY EFFIN' hero is a PEER of Ali.. HE'S NO freakin'' Lame Clark.. How about a 3 time champion like Ali for starters.. how about a 13- 2 record in championship bouts... where is that so inferior? You want to focus on twoi abberation losses but NOT focus on EVERY alltime great not named Marciano who has MORE than 2 blemishes on THERE records & they call me delusional.

We're elevating Klitschko BECAUSE he's fokoing elevated already through his work in a boxing ring. He hasn't amassed his numbers in some minor league farm system. I'm SORRY but a fighter who's AMASSED the best numbers bar none in heavyweight history gets the benefit of the doubt EACH & every time. You can CRy WEAK opposition til the cows come home. Vitali Klitschko is the ONLY ranked heavyweight besides Marciano who has never been either outboxed or defeated through 45 bouts.



The fact that he has EVERY conceivable physical advantage against most any other heavyweight that's ever fought ONLY solidifies that stance & in no way diminishes it. It all makes sense.. yet all of you's don't want to put two & two together because you're scared of being wrong about your judgment... trust me when I TELL you that I KNOW i'm a 1000% correct in my views & my assessment of Vitali Klitschko & i laugh at each and every one of all your excuses to dismiss how great he really is including rehashing two fights where he WON 12 OF 15 rds BUT lost. 12 FREAKIN rds LOST in 45 FIGHTS & YOU WANT to tell me that this is opposition weakness? ThAT's absurd how dominant that is..



WE'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING & YOU GUYS ALL want to tell me it doesn't COUNT in the standings. Highest STOPPAGE & SCOReCARD rate IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF HEAVYWEIGHT boxing & you want to tell me HIS comp is rigged.. Why is his COMP rigged But every other alltime greats isn't? i'LL tell you why.. IT'S because we don't want to hear the truth so we make up a bunch of white lies to make us believe Vitali Klitschko is just a fabrication & a myth. I'd take Vitali Klitschko to win a boxing match OVER any other boxer who's ever lived & not bat an eyelash... That's how confident i am in his boxing abilities

Jim, I will counter your long essay's with this short and sweet little question.

Justify to me who have the Klits beaten to be bestowed with such ATG status?

Not STATS, just name the fighters.

[JAB5239]

Because MY EFFIN' hero is a PEER of Ali.. HE'S NO freakin'' Lame Clark.. How about a 3 time champion like Ali for starters.. how about a 13- 2 record in championship bouts... where is that so inferior? You want to focus on twoi abberation losses but NOT focus on EVERY alltime great not named Marciano who has MORE than 2 blemishes on THERE records & they call me delusional.

We're elevating Klitschko BECAUSE he's fokoing elevated already through his work in a boxing ring. He hasn't amassed his numbers in some minor league farm system. I'm SORRY but a fighter who's AMASSED the best numbers bar none in heavyweight history gets the benefit of the doubt EACH & every time. You can CRy WEAK opposition til the cows come home. Vitali Klitschko is the ONLY ranked heavyweight besides Marciano who has never been either outboxed or defeated through 45 bouts.



The fact that he has EVERY conceivable physical advantage against most any other heavyweight that's ever fought ONLY solidifies that stance & in no way diminishes it. It all makes sense.. yet all of you's don't want to put two & two together because you're scared of being wrong about your judgment... trust me when I TELL you that I KNOW i'm a 1000% correct in my views & my assessment of Vitali Klitschko & i laugh at each and every one of all your excuses to dismiss how great he really is including rehashing two fights where he WON 12 OF 15 rds BUT lost. 12 FREAKIN rds LOST in 45 FIGHTS & YOU WANT to tell me that this is opposition weakness? ThAT's absurd how dominant that is..



WE'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING & YOU GUYS ALL want to tell me it doesn't COUNT in the standings. Highest STOPPAGE & SCOReCARD rate IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF HEAVYWEIGHT boxing & you want to tell me HIS comp is rigged.. Why is his COMP rigged But every other alltime greats isn't? i'LL tell you why.. IT'S because we don't want to hear the truth so we make up a bunch of white lies to make us believe Vitali Klitschko is just a fabrication & a myth. I'd take Vitali Klitschko to win a boxing match OVER any other boxer who's ever lived & not bat an eyelash... That's how confident i am in his boxing abilities

Jimmy, jimmy, jimmy, jimmy.....where to start?

First off Vitaly has never been the heavyweight champion of the world. Sure he's been a paper titlist, but thats nothing more than decoration for a high ranking contender these days. So no, he's nothing like Ali and he's 0-1 in championship bouts.

Lets move in to bigger and better things though. How about you break down individually why Vitaly should be rated higher than these 10 fighters. There is a catch though...you can't use any imaginary h2h guesswork here. This exercise is based on resume and accomplishment. GO!!

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Jack Johnson
4. Larry Holmes
5. Sonny Liston
6. Lennox Lewis
7. George Foreman
8. Mike Tyson
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Rocky Marciano

[JAB5239]

Here's a good question for Klitschko fans. Who has a better resume, Vitaly or Brian Nielsen?

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...4681&cat=boxer

[nomadman]

Tyrell Biggs and Jorge Luis Gonzales were amateur standouts too, it didn't make them A level pro's. That said, Im not blaming the Klits for the era they fight in but it is something that is important when looking at greatness. Unfortunately the only A level fighters their were for them to fight who were proven top tier heavies were Lewis and Byrd.

And with all do respect to Chag and Briggs, I don't put much stock in paper titles. To me they were merely contenders and will be a footnote in heavyweight history. Briggs won the lineal title over an ancient Foreman in a fight that was clouded by controversy.

I wasn't talking about A level in the grand scheme of things (which is a very subjective and difficult thing to measure anyway) but A fighters in the division they fought in at the time. Whatever you may think of their titles, and both men won them legitimately, to call them B fighters is a disservice both to them and to the opponents they fought.

[Jedi Vader]

Here's a good question for Klitschko fans. Who has a better resume, Vitaly or Brian Nielsen?

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...4681&cat=boxer

Ross Purrity
Bonecrusher Smith
Tony Tubbs
Larry Holmes
Tim Witherspoon
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield

[JAB5239]

I wasn't talking about A level in the grand scheme of things (which is a very subjective and difficult thing to measure anyway) but A fighters in the division they fought in at the time. Whatever you may think of their titles, and both men won them legitimately, to call them B fighters is a disservice both to them and to the opponents they fought.

Like I said in a previous post my friend, paper titles are just decoration for another contender. There can only be one world champion. As far as being A level fighters at the time they fought? Sure. But that just goes to show how bad the era is in my opinion. Neither are anything special though as far as good contenders and will be forgotten as such. Let me explain it another way. John Ruiz was a titlist yet he was never seen as a top fighter in the heavyweight division. There were always at least 2 or 3 guys better, right? Chagaev needed a SD IN GERMANY to beat him after he already lost to Roy Jones 3 years previously. Come on now bro, if Ruiz is going to be looked at like crap by most than how should we really look at Chagaev at this point?

[nomadman]

Like I said in a previous post my friend, paper titles are just decoration for another contender. There can only be one world champion. As far as being A level fighters at the time they fought? Sure. But that just goes to show how bad the era is in my opinion. Neither are anything special though as far as good contenders and will be forgotten as such. Let me explain it another way. John Ruiz was a titlist yet he was never seen as a top fighter in the heavyweight division. There were always at least 2 or 3 guys better, right? Chagaev needed a SD IN GERMANY to beat him after he already lost to Roy Jones 3 years previously. Come on now bro, if Ruiz is going to be looked at like crap by most than how should we really look at Chagaev at this point?

You could go that tack, but like I said, it's very subjective and difficult to rate guys across eras, and futile at any rate since a fighter can only fight who's available (and alive) at the time. I don't rate this HW era particularly highly, but then I don't rate Louis's era very highly either, despite the passing of time elevating many of his opponents to near legendary status. However, I still rate Louis as a great champion because he fought who there was to fight and won.

Neither Chags nor Brags will ever go down as a HOFer but that shouldn't negate their qualities as opponents. Ibragimov was a very crafty, sharp and quick handed fighter with a difficult style to look good against. Chagaev was equally quick handed, strung his punches together well, and was very hard to hurt. And both guys were undefeated at the time they fought Wlad, with resumes that, whilst not packed, didn't exactly scream cherry picked.

As for Ruiz, I personally think he was a pretty good fighter as well, boring as hell, but tough and durable and knew how to win with what he had. His loss to Jones should be held more to Jones's talent than to any defficiencies with Ruiz himself. He generally made life tough for everyone else he fought and seemed to get craftier as the years went on.

As contenders, all three guys will be footnotes in history, I don't dispute that. But that doesn't automatically mean that they, or the era they fought in, ****** total donkey balls either.

[jimmy1569]

Jim, I will counter your long essay's with this short and sweet little question.

Justify to me who have the Klits beaten to be bestowed with such ATG status?

Not STATS, just name the fighters.

Show me ANY fighter who can beat opponents that never stepped into the ring with them & you have your answer. The brothers being penalized for scheduling conflicts is absurd. What all of yous are saying is that all the past greats have stepped into the ring with the brothers & wiped the floor with them based on the perception of the opposition those greats faced. Give both bros the same opportunities & NOTHING doesn't suggest they get the sane results or better. In fact all evidence points to the fact they'd fare better against them but According to your logic they automatically will have fared worse.



Vitali literally beats up a socalled top 5 alltime great.. outboxes him handily & yet you still question how he'd fare against fighters inferior to Lewis... he suffered a goddamn cut.. this cut takes NOTHING AWAY FROM HIS PERFORMANCE against Lennox & LL was in no way shape or form the worst version of himself as everyone claims.. It was the same exact version that fought Rahman & Tyson a yr or two earlier with 5 more lbs of muscle & more experience.. These are the actual facts.. the twisting of those facts is beyond pathetic & you all know it.

[jimmy1569]

Jimmy, jimmy, jimmy, jimmy.....where to start?

First off Vitaly has never been the heavyweight champion of the world. Sure he's been a paper titlist, but thats nothing more than decoration for a high ranking contender these days. So no, he's nothing like Ali and he's 0-1 in championship bouts.

Lets move in to bigger and better things though. How about you break down individually why Vitaly should be rated higher than these 10 fighters. There is a catch though...you can't use any imaginary h2h guesswork here. This exercise is based on resume and accomplishment. GO!!

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Jack Johnson
4. Larry Holmes
5. Sonny Liston
6. Lennox Lewis
7. George Foreman
8. Mike Tyson
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Rocky Marciano

You're hopeless & i have to head to work.. Vitali is all but 1-0 in supposed championship bouts according to your criteria. I'll leave you with one thing for all of you to try to understand... A fighter makes the man & not who steps to him. Whomever has stepped to Vitali has gotten annihilated.. who's ever stepped to all ten of those fighters was simply beaten & alot of times it was on points. I go with the fighter who heaped more destruction everyday of the week & thursdays. Those 10 fighters & even Rocky Marciano have blueprints on there resumes to state how they can be beaten. You know what blueprint there is to beat Vitali Klitschko..... you have to look over medical reports... that's it.. No medical reports or xray sheets & there's is no way in hell you're escaping with a W over him.... KAPISH!

[jimmy1569]

Here's a good question for Klitschko fans. Who has a better resume, Vitaly or Brian Nielsen?

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...4681&cat=boxer

When resume is similar you go with the guy who can potentially KILL the other. That's your tiebreaker.. son.. These are all meaningless jabs you're throwing around.. How about looking at there numbers for starters as well... how about there belt collection.. physique.. all of that is resume. I could give two shets if Nielsen fought even better comp than Vitali. which he hasn't but let's take this one step further hasn't the Chuvalo's & Ruiz's of the world faced better comp than Vitali... how about Golota.. Lyle.. Mercer... they have supposed better opposition that they faced.. how come they are NOT CONSIDERED greater than Vitali....... how come other resume criterias come into play when we're comparing those fighters but the criteria that takes precedence the most when Vitali is compared to fellow greats is the comp... I don't buy this criteria alteration just so haters can validate there stance. My criteria is dominance my criteris \ia is 6ft 8 250 lbs of lean & mean boxing domination...


These are my tiebreakers & they stay consistent against all fighters i compare him to. I don't change it like you guys do to fit the agenda because i know this is factual based... as if any of those opponents you think Vitali hasn't faced doesn't get destroyed on principal alone...... please you're all full of crap & you can take that resume crap & stick it where the sun don't shine... If i was an owner & I saw Vitali fight & he came into my office seeking a job with just his numbers.. size.. strength & history.. he gets hired quicker than anyone else based on his phocking resume.