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  • LeadUppercut
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    #41
    The Berto/Ortiz winner ?

    Probably only if the winner happened to be Berto, and the timing is not gonna work this time around because of Mayweathers surrender date.

    Hey, when is that fight, it must be soon ?

    Surprised that folks aren't really looking forward to that rematch.

    Everyone forgotten how good the first fight was ?

    Berto is gonna be the hungriest guy on the planet this time out, he knows what he has to do, he has had a good look at Ortiz now, and he has had time to reflect/prepare, but he is backed into a corner..... Ortiz has new questions to answer, but should hopefully be able to get retain that same mindset that he had last time out.

    Possibly the fight may not be as good, it could be more technical, with both guys showing each other tonnes of respect and taking much more care..... but I think that once they get warmed up and fired up we will see fireworks.

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    • Fighting Pride
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      #42
      Can't believe after all that's happened with Floyd's fights since 2007, how people don't see what's really going on?

      Floyd and Golden Boy are exploiting their relationship to milk Floyd's fans for as much as they can off each other. Their plan is to match Floyd with every Golden Boy fighter in their stable they can possibly sell around his weight. Lightweights, junior welterweights, it doesn't matter, they're going to make it happen. It's all inhouse from here on end.

      Watch him fight Guerrero, Maidana, Khan, Canelo, and maybe one or two others like Morales, Alexander, Malignaggi and then retire.

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      • brains4boxing
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        #43
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        he's talented but he has 2 fight somebody recognizable.....mayweather should fight miguel cotto....dats marketable......or he can fight the best pound4pound fighter in sergio martinez....

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        • bigcursedawg
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          #44
          I would have no prob with the fight if the ghost had any fights @ 140 or 147 and looked good. Guerrero needs to prove himself at 140 first. Hopefully the surgery didn't affect him. If he has recovered 100% he will be tough for anyone @ 140.

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          • LeadUppercut
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            #45
            Originally posted by Fighting Pride
            Can't believe after all that's happened with Floyd's fights since 2007, how people don't see what's really going on?

            Floyd and Golden Boy are exploiting their relationship to milk Floyd's fans for as much as they can off each other. Their plan is to match Floyd with every Golden Boy fighter in their stable they can possibly sell around his weight. Lightweights, junior welterweights, it doesn't matter, they're going to make it happen. It's all inhouse from here on end.

            Watch him fight Guerrero, Maidana, Khan, Canelo, and maybe one or two others like Morales, Alexander, Malignaggi and then retire.
            5 fights.....

            The first is the goal of every fighter on the planet, to fight "Mr Boxing".

            The second was the biggest payday on the planet for a welter.

            One was against the #1 ranked welter, one was against the #3 ranked welter..... and one was against the P4P #2.

            I agree that Marquez was a cherry-pick.

            Your problem is ?

            BTW, just out of interest, what do you think of Pacquiao's opponents since June 2008?

            And, even though you just blasted Mayweather's opponents, how has Pacquiao been able to construct a resume by fighting much worse versions of those exact same guys?

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            • Fighting Pride
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              #46
              Originally posted by LeadUppercut
              5 fights.....

              The first is the goal of every fighter on the planet, to fight "Mr Boxing".

              The second was the biggest payday on the planet for a welter.

              One was against the #1 ranked welter, one was against the #3 ranked welter..... and one was against the P4P #2.

              I agree that Marquez was a cherry-pick.

              Your problem is ?

              BTW, just out of interest, what do you think of Pacquiao's opponents since June 2008?

              And, even though you just blasted Mayweather's opponents, how has Pacquiao been able to construct a resume by fighting much worse versions of those exact same guys?
              Pac has been doing the same, taking inhouse fights with everyone Arum has for him around his weight.

              DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey were all legitimate fights and threats though. The rest just taking the fans for fools.

              Thing is his legacy was set at Hatton & Cotto, as a former light flyweight winning his fourth lineal belt destroying the proven 140 king, and then smashing an established top weltwerweight champ. This after he came out 5-1-1 in his rivalry with the great Mexicans at the lower weights and having knocked out established champions for his first 3 division titles as a big underdog.

              With Floyd, DLH and then Hatton is where it should have ended and he needed legitimate fights vs prime guys to build his legacy to where it should be.

              Floyd should have fought Hatton at j.welter after they both won titles in big fights only weeks apart in the same month. Problem is Hatton was the #1 and brought more money from the UK market than Floyd did from the US at the time, and Floyd didn't want to fight him unless he could make all the demands, he wanted it in the US and to pick the ref, and to take more of the money.

              Making sure he minimises risk as much as he can before taking a fight is how the guy has been operating since.

              Retiring when welter was packed with hot fighters and big fights, to come back and pick a fight with Marquez and not make the catchweight for any easy payday instead of one of these top welters.

              Mosley only after he had a hyped win and was 38 and unfortunately off a 15 month layoff. That was his best win in the 4 years since De La Hoya-Hatton, and his fans wonder how he can be criticised, really?

              Ortiz after just one hyped win at the weight instead of Pac.

              Now Guerrero is being brought up, which is a nothing fight, and Canelo, equally will bring little to his legacy, when Pac, Martinez and Cotto should be the only options. His fans let him get away with it, they refuse to criticise him. He's just become a waste of talent with all these meaningless inhouse matchups with Golden Boy.
              Last edited by Fighting Pride; 01-08-2012, 09:02 PM.

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              • delpilar
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                #47
                Of course Merchant doesn't know that Guerrero is the life saver or jail saver for Floyd. Who else will sign a contract without any demands and a slamdunk for Floyd?

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                • LeadUppercut
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Fighting Pride
                  Pac has been doing the same, taking inhouse fights with everyone Arum has for him around his weight.

                  DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey were all legitimate fights and threats though. The rest just taking the fans for fools.

                  Thing is his legacy was set at Hatton & Cotto, as a former light flyweight winning his fourth lineal belt destroying the proven 140 king, and then smashing an established top weltwerweight champ. This after he came out 5-1-1 in his rivalry with the great Mexicans at the lower weights and having knocked out established champions for his first 3 division titles as a big underdog.

                  With Floyd, DLH and then Hatton is where it should have ended and he needed legitimate fights vs prime guys to build his legacy to where it should be.

                  Floyd should have fought Hatton at j.welter after they both won titles in big fights only weeks apart in the same month. Problem is Hatton was the #1 and brought more money from the UK market than Floyd did from the US at the time, and Floyd didn't want to fight him unless he could make all the demands, he wanted it in the US and to pick the ref, and to take more of the money.

                  Making sure he minimises risk as much as he can before taking a fight is how the guy has been operating since.

                  Retiring when welter was packed with hot fighters and big fights, to come back and pick a fight with Marquez and not make the catchweight for any easy payday instead of one of these top welters.

                  Mosley only after he had a hyped win and was 38 and unfortunately off a 15 month layoff. That was his best win in the 4 years since De La Hoya-Hatton, and his fans wonder how he can be criticised, really?

                  Ortiz after just one hyped win at the weight instead of Pac.

                  Now Guerrero is being brought up, which is a nothing fight, and Canelo, equally will bring little to his legacy, when Pac, Martinez and Cotto should be the only options. His fans let him get away with it, they refuse to criticise him. He's just become a waste of talent with all these meaningless inhouse matchups with Golden Boy.
                  HOLD ON !!

                  "DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey were all legitimate fights and threats though"

                  WTF ?

                  You just stated that Floyd's fights since 2007 were GBP cherry-picks, so how come Pac fought worst versions of Hoya, Hatton, but he gets credit for beating "legitimate... threats"?

                  Clottey ?

                  Come on man.

                  Aside from the two guys that you just gave Pac credit for beating, and btw Mayweather beat better versions of both those guys, he fought the #1 welter, a guy who Manny ducked twice, and he fought the #3 welter, a guy who Manny would not fight even though he was ranked higher than anyone Pac has ever fought at welter, before or since.

                  I cant see your problem man.

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                  • Bong Bong
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                    #49
                    Floyd needs to have another "devastating" KO victory so he can have notoriety when he goes to prison in June

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                    • ChewLeather
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by LeadUppercut
                      So, who should Mayweather fight then ?

                      I agree with the general consensus regarding Guerrero.

                      I like Robert, and I rate him, but not untested at 147 vs Mayweather.

                      I like Canelo, but he is not ready for a fight of that magnitude either, not against a hardened vet with the skills of Mayweather.

                      Is Cotto the only fighter between 147-154 that could genuinely be seen as both "deserving" and "ready"?

                      And the only guy who could realistically jump up from 140 is Bradley.

                      Personally, I have always wanted Mayweather/Martinez, but I cant see that fight happening to be honest.

                      I dunno, I give up, as far as I can see the best option (fight-wise).....
                      1.) Martinez - unlikely
                      2.) Cotto - has a name, is a draw, and has top level experience
                      3.) Bradley - is an option, but not a big money fight

                      I see May 5th as not much more than a stay-busy fight anyways.

                      I would like to see Mayweather fight the old Cotto, the undamaged one, the one who was unable to conceive losing.
                      Cotto? Then he will be fighting the 2nd leftover from Pac. You *****s don't want leftovers right?

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