Comments Thread For: Roach Admits Mayweather's Style a Tough Hit Pacquiao

[amayseng]

In order to beat Floyd Mayweather Jr you have to be able to out think him and adjust AND most importantly aside from a solid jab. Have or use a good defense strategy because Floyd is so accurate. Pac would not last 12 rounds with Floyd by how easy he is to hit. Cotto/Margarito and to some extent Clottey tagged Manny and had him busted up and them fighters are not even half as fast or precise as Mayweather. In this aritcle Roach said that he has to figure out Mayweather's style but he has been saying that since 2008. Not believing Pac will beat Floyd or even be his toughest fight when his own trainer can't figure a way to beat a fighter/boxer (Mayweather) who adjust while he fights.

this entire site has become a joke from posters using "*******" and "*****"

neither of which have i ever used in any post, ever, in my life, ever. not

that you did but my point is that everyone on this site is a trainer and

strategist but never put a pair of gloves on in their lives. there are NO

TRIANGLE THEORIES in boxing, they do not work.

just because jmm gave pac trouble doesnt mean floyd will. yes floyd is the

better counterpuncher but jmm had 36 rounds with pac. floyd has none.

jmm fights in combinations, floyd does not.

floyd is a fantastic boxer, i dont like him as a person but i continue to

study his fights and watch with gratitude. floyd is a phenom, but its

TODAY, not 2005.

floyd does not fight in combos anymore, he has definitely lost A BIG STEP

he is too inactive, he has rust, see ortiz, see him wiffing and missing punches,

see his footwork off, see everytime ortiz landed something floyd bailed out

and covered up where before he would answer and fight fire with fire.

manny is faster, manny is quicker, manny has more power at ww, he does.

floyd is the better counterpuncher, floyd is sharper, but floyd is not an

active puncher, he is not a blazing puncher, he is not a thudding puncher,

he is a sharpshooter.

in fact, drop all bias, watch the floyd ortiz fight in slow mo, and you will see

ortiz landing a lot more punches than you see, floyd is deceptive as he is

always rolling punches but he does take quite a bit, in fact you can give

ortiz 2 of the 4 rounds..

who will win , manny or floyd? i dont know, today im leaning towards pac

but 2 years ago floyd picks him apart...

floyds talent can be negated by mannys activity, pac throwing 90 punches

per round will beat floyds 20.

i mean, floyd in his ultimate prime got swept the first 4 or 5 rounds against

ZAB JUDAH of all boxers and even got knocked down...

everyone knows zab goes zab and add and fades mid fight, pac does not

fade.

floyd will be fighting canelo on may 5, it will be announced next week.

pac will fight someone else as well.

and the fight will never happen, ever.

[PAC-BOY]

this entire site has become a joke from posters using "*******" and "*****"

neither of which have i ever used in any post, ever, in my life, ever. not

that you did but my point is that everyone on this site is a trainer and

strategist but never put a pair of gloves on in their lives. there are NO

TRIANGLE THEORIES in boxing, they do not work.

just because jmm gave pac trouble doesnt mean floyd will. yes floyd is the

better counterpuncher but jmm had 36 rounds with pac. floyd has none.

jmm fights in combinations, floyd does not.

floyd is a fantastic boxer, i dont like him as a person but i continue to

study his fights and watch with gratitude. floyd is a phenom, but its

TODAY, not 2005.

floyd does not fight in combos anymore, he has definitely lost A BIG STEP

he is too inactive, he has rust, see ortiz, see him wiffing and missing punches,

see his footwork off, see everytime ortiz landed something floyd bailed out

and covered up where before he would answer and fight fire with fire.

manny is faster, manny is quicker, manny has more power at ww, he does.

floyd is the better counterpuncher, floyd is sharper, but floyd is not an

active puncher, he is not a blazing puncher, he is not a thudding puncher,

he is a sharpshooter.

in fact, drop all bias, watch the floyd ortiz fight in slow mo, and you will see

ortiz landing a lot more punches than you see, floyd is deceptive as he is

always rolling punches but he does take quite a bit, in fact you can give

ortiz 2 of the 4 rounds..

who will win , manny or floyd? i dont know, today im leaning towards pac

but 2 years ago floyd picks him apart...

floyds talent can be negated by mannys activity, pac throwing 90 punches

per round will beat floyds 20.

i mean, floyd in his ultimate prime got swept the first 4 or 5 rounds against

ZAB JUDAH of all boxers and even got knocked down...

everyone knows zab goes zab and add and fades mid fight, pac does not

fade.

floyd will be fighting canelo on may 5, it will be announced next week.

pac will fight someone else as well.

and the fight will never happen, ever.

great unbiased post man...greenk sent!
and oh yeah..i do glove up.

[amayseng]

manny has no chance to beat floyd sorry.this would be embarrassing his style is taylor made for floyd

the style where his speed and power smashed margacheatos face in half?

the style where he starched cotto with blazing punches from crazy angles?

the style where he throws 90 punches per round?

the style where he is active and consistent with never any signs of rust?

oh, jmm had 36 rounds against pac so that means floyd will have no

trouble huh?

easy work, triangle theories huh?

dumbass...

im not picking a winner between these two because they are both so elite

you can not pick one until they are in the ring together and you see what

you get.

[GRUSTLER]

Floyd is very accurate. also manny can take a great punch as well! Floyd isnt that devastating of a puncher but does have power. He will have to land a lot of Power punches on Manny and also be careful with his hands! Manny will throw more and a lot will land . out think his i agree with. So staying on top of Floyd with relentless pressure wont allow him time to think....Anything can happen! Floyd got his nick name by not getting hit and by being so defensive. He will get hit in this fight...alot. the test is to see if the same plans will work on Manny as it did on other opponents! This will be no walk in the park! Anyone who thinks it will has issues! thats for either fighter!

That's your opinion but when does Floyd get hit "a lot" in his fights by anyone? the way Floyd steam rolled through Juan Manuel Marquez for a shut out and Pac went to the wire with the same guy almost 2 years later. Floyd won't have any trouble with Pac. Manny can't even handle fighters who use the ring and display movement. That was evident in the 3rd JMM fight. Pac is only dominate against guys who are slower, who leave themselves open because Pac is so much faster than them. It is easy for him to overwhelm them especially if they think they can out muscle Pac. Floyd is pretty fast himself so Pac's only advantage is not so much of an advantage because Floyd is known for his speed as well and is more accurate then Pac AND has solid defensive skills with a hit and not get hit strategy. Pac won't last 12 rounds if Floyd turns it out. Roach don't even know how to deal with Floyd and they were supposed to fight since 2 years? I appreciate you posting back respectfully and voicing your opinion but if Pac's trainer is not sure then I know for damn sure I'm not putting any hope into Manny beating Floyd.

[LeadUppercut]

if thats your true opinion okay I thought you were being funny. Just cant some give manny no chance. There are so many variables Floyd hasnt seen in a fighter like Many that i think will make it a good fight. And if most think that manny dont have a chance then why the hell even have the fight? imo yiou have the two best at their style going at it. Neither has faced opposition like either has had before.

I like Manny, as do many others, he is a terrific fighter.....

The issue that most genuine boxing fans have is that we can all see that Pac is being fed hand-picked opponents who are either well-faded or disadvantaged on the scales, and we can all see that Arum is blatantly protecting Manny from Mayweather in order to secure as many mega-payday's as-is humanly possible before taking what will obviously be a huge risk with Pacquiao's marketability.

" oh, but Arum is just doing his job "

" oh, but Pac is just doing what Arum states will be best for his career "

Fine, no problem, but you can forget about.....

* Manny only fights the best
* Manny has " cleaned out " the welterweight division
* Manny is an 8-division champion
* Manny is an ATG
* Manny will fight anybody, anywhere, anytime

Because, there is little evidence to support any of those claims, and plenty of evidence to the contrary.

You see the thing is this..... you cannot have your cake and eat it too, it does not swing both ways..... a fighter is judged on 1 thing, and 1 thing only..... who he fought, and when he fought them..... Pacquiao's "decisions" and his "timing" have been impeccable.

He just did exactly what Green and Lebedev are doing to Jones/Toney/etc.

So, Manny is an exciting all-action fighter, and he is rich.

Fine, no problem, I agree entirely..... but you can forget all that other stuff.

Manny has been fighting old men, faded champions, and bums..... and he has disadvantaging them on the scales and manipulating them contractually,

The Marquez " setup " that recently backfired is hilarious in hindsight.

Pac needs to step up to the plate, he needs to stop fighting old and disadvantaged opponents, and he needs to stop talking about Mayweather when it is plainly obvious that he is not willing to fight him.

Then, maybe I will resume buying his PPV's.

[GRUSTLER]

the style where his speed and power smashed margacheatos face in half?

the style where he starched cotto with blazing punches from crazy angles?

the style where he throws 90 punches per round?

the style where he is active and consistent with never any signs of rust?

oh, jmm had 36 rounds against pac so that means floyd will have no

trouble huh?

easy work, triangle theories huh?

dumbass...

im not picking a winner between these two because they are both so elite

you can not pick one until they are in the ring together and you see what

you get.

that same style STILL can't convincing dominate the counter puncher in Juan Manuel Marquez and Pac is supposed to be able to overwhelm Floyd with that style? Floyd is most accurate counter puncher in the sport. No triangle theory but reality. Floyd beats Pac up. Comparing Mayweather to Margarito, Cotto and JMM is a bad mistake. Floyd is not like any of them style wise and technically he is sound. Roach is blatantly saying that he doesn't have a plan to beat Mayweather and here you are getting mad at people that say Pac don't have a chance?

[hbonnie21]

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[PAC-BOY]

That's your opinion but when does Floyd get hit "a lot" in his fights by anyone? the way Floyd steam rolled through Juan Manuel Marquez for a shut out and Pac went to the wire with the same guy almost 2 years later. Floyd won't have any trouble with Pac. Manny can't even handle fighters who use the ring and display movement. That was evident in the 3rd JMM fight. Pac is only dominate against guys who are slower, who leave themselves open because Pac is so much faster than them. It is easy for him to overwhelm them especially if they think they can out muscle Pac. Floyd is pretty fast himself so Pac's only advantage is not so much of an advantage because Floyd is known for his speed as well and is more accurate then Pac AND has solid defensive skills with a hit and not get hit strategy. Pac won't last 12 rounds if Floyd turns it out. Roach don't even know how to deal with Floyd and they were supposed to fight since 2 years? I appreciate you posting back respectfully and voicing your opinion but if Pac's trainer is not sure then I know for damn sure I'm not putting any hope into Manny beating Floyd.

Floyd dont get alot. But with a fighter like Manny that (throws) over 1200 in a fight...his punch output and connect % is higher than anyone Floyds ever been in the ring!
And with JMM vs Floyd ...i dont put to much weight in that fight in a comparable to manny / JMM. Weight being the Key word here! It was alot of controversy on the weight of that fight @ fight night! I was shocked it even happen. Floyd was way bigger to an opponent that moved up TWO divisions for the first time.! Ehhh on that fight. IMO Floyd should have took JMM out and didnt. Credit to Floyd it was a 1and half year layoff he was coming back on too!

[PAC-BOY]

I like Manny, as do many others, he is a terrific fighter.....

The issue that most genuine boxing fans have is that we can all see that Pac is being fed hand-picked opponents who are either well-faded or disadvantaged on the scales, and we can all see that Arum is blatantly protecting Manny from Mayweather in order to secure as many mega-payday's as-is humanly possible before taking what will obviously be a huge risk with Pacquiao's marketability.

" oh, but Arum is just doing his job "

" oh, but Pac is just doing what Arum states will be best for his career "

Fine, no problem, but you can forget about.....

* Manny only fights the best
* Manny has " cleaned out " the welterweight division
* Manny is an 8-division champion
* Manny is an ATG
* Manny will fight anybody, anywhere, anytime

Because, there is little evidence to support any of those claims, and plenty of evidence to the contrary.

You see the thing is this..... you cannot have your cake and eat it too, it does not swing both ways..... a fighter is judged on 1 thing, and 1 thing only..... who he fought, and when he fought them..... Pacquiao's "decisions" and his "timing" have been impeccable.

He just did exactly what Green and Lebedev are doing to Jones/Toney/etc.

So, Manny is an exciting all-action fighter, and he is rich.

Fine, no problem, I agree entirely..... but you can forget all that other stuff.

Manny has been fighting old men, faded champions, and bums..... and he has disadvantaging them on the scales and manipulating them contractually,

The Marquez " setup " that recently backfired is hilarious in hindsight.

Pac needs to step up to the plate, he needs to stop fighting old and disadvantaged opponents, and he needs to stop talking about Mayweather when it is plainly obvious that he is not willing to fight him.

Then, maybe I will resume buying his PPV's.

good post man.. i got alot to add to this but i gotta put it together give me a minute.

[LeadUppercut]

Floyd is very accurate. also manny can take a great punch as well! Floyd isnt that devastating of a puncher but does have power. He will have to land a lot of Power punches on Manny and also be careful with his hands! Manny will throw more and a lot will land . out think his i agree with. So staying on top of Floyd with relentless pressure wont allow him time to think....Anything can happen! Floyd got his nick name by not getting hit and by being so defensive. He will get hit in this fight...alot. the test is to see if the same plans will work on Manny as it did on other opponents! This will be no walk in the park! Anyone who thinks it will has issues! thats for either fighter!

Manny's output will plummet against Mayweather, just like it did against Marquez, but even more so, because of Mayweather's accuracy/reach/timing.

Every single one of Mayweather's opponents suffered a considerable drop in punch output..... getting punched in the face will do that, watch Pac/JMM III..... and it can throw your gameplan out the window if that gameplan is not established to the point of being instinctive.

The point will not be how Mayweather deals with Manny's pressure, it will be how the hell will Pac get it on Floyd? He has no inside game, and that skip in-out stuff will get him killed once Mayweather gets his timing.