Grade Roy Jones' resume

[Walt Liquor]

To the dudes who say roy was the best ever in his prime pfp, you really think no one pdp wouldhave been able to get to that chin? So speed power annd that roy had, but he has a suspect chin.


And i love how he was over the hill for tarver now.

I do agree that roy's res > floyds though.

[STREET CLEANER]

Unfortunately when Jones arrived to 168 Eubank lost to Collins and went to ramatch him, Benn was on his way out and Collins retired.

The UK had a lot of good fighters at 168 but Jones was late for that party.

[SCtrojansbaby]

To the dudes who say roy was the best ever in his prime pfp, you really think no one pdp wouldhave been able to get to that chin? So speed power annd that roy had, but he has a suspect chin.


And i love how he was over the hill for tarver now.

I do agree that roy's res > floyds though.

There was nothing wrong with Roy's chin pre Ruiz. Its extremely obvious in hindsight that moving to heavyweight then going back down to 175 killed Roy.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Beat a prime Hopkins and prime Toney. Also won a heavyweight trinket by defeating John Ruiz.

That is generally not the biggest accomplishment, but when you take into consideration that he started at middleweight it makes it much more defining.

It is unfortunate that he didn't have any great American rivals to challenge him as he refused (for good reasons) to go overseas.

Superb talent in a weak era. Imagine if he had locked down MW. He would have probably had multiple wins on Hops, a win on a prime Trinidad, and maybe even a win on Oscar. With a win on Oscar he could have become the biggest superstar in boxing and maybe, although it is quite the stretch, fought Mayweather at 160 with Mayweather attempting to gain Roy's status. Not sure if he could have stayed skinny like Hops all those years though.

I give Roy a B+ for his two great wins vs. Hops and Toney.

This is dumbest post I have seen in this thread.

Roy accomplished so much greater things, wins against former welterweights is nothing to him. Roy dominated light heavyweights

Also, their has never been a stronger era of middleweight/super middleweight then the mid 90s those divisions used to go almost 10 deep with A/B+ level fighters

[Walt Liquor]

There was nothing wrong with Roy's chin pre Ruiz. Its extremely obvious in hindsight that moving to heavyweight then going back down to 175 killed Roy.

you want to give dude the glory of moving up to hw, but then when he comes back down, he gets a pass. its all still part of his resume.

I'm not saying roy had a glass chin his whole career and his supernatural quickness was the only reason we didn't see it before. I was responding to a guy who said roy was pfp the best boxer ever in his prime and would beat anyone. if he's going to say something like that, he better recognize that roy's chin would likely get checked by some of the more elite fighters in history in that type of fantasy matchup and I don't think it would necessarily hold up.

[THE REED]

Walt,

You can add him getting KOed to his resume.. absolutely.

But, don't sit there and act like, at 35 years old, putting on muscle to move up to HW, and then dropping back down to LHW, did not effect him.

In the first fight, Roy was gassed against the ropes by round 4.

And it wasn't Hagler-Hearns in there... it was a box fest, and we'd never seen that before... Tarver was barely putting pressure on, only when Roy WENT to the ropes, did Tarver even flurry... trying to shed all that water severely deteriorated him...

He was 35 years old.

In the rematch he got caught, plain and simple... then he decided to fight Johnson only 4 months after having a devastating loss, and in that fight, you could tell the guy was past his prime... that was not a prime, peak Roy Jones in there... he barely moved.

[Walt Liquor]

Walt,

You can add him getting KOed to his resume.. absolutely.

But, don't sit there and act like, at 35 years old, putting on muscle to move up to HW, and then dropping back down to LHW, did not effect him.

In the first fight, Roy was gassed against the ropes by round 4.

And it wasn't Hagler-Hearns in there... it was a box fest, and we'd never seen that before... Tarver was barely putting pressure on, only when Roy WENT to the ropes, did Tarver even flurry... trying to shed all that water severely deteriorated him...

He was 35 years old.

In the rematch he got caught, plain and simple... then he decided to fight Johnson only 4 months after having a devastating loss, and in that fight, you could tell the guy was past his prime... that was not a prime, peak Roy Jones in there... he barely moved.

i agree with your post- read the second part of my post above. I also already posted that roy's resume is anywhere from 1-4 since 1990 IMO.

it wasn't a prime roy, i never said that. roy showed some mental weakness IMO and some chin weakness. the first things to go and a lot of these posts seem to be responding to a post of mine that was designed for a specific post by a different poster in this thread.

how do we really know what roy's chin was like in his prime if we're speculating about him being the absolute best pfp boxer of all time in his prime. i think the tarver ko is a legit indicator. putting on weight and taking it off doesn't automatically kill your chin.

[THE REED]

i agree with your post- read the second part of my post above. I also already posted that roy's resume is anywhere from 1-4 since 1990 IMO.

how do we really know what roy's chin was like in his prime if we're speculating about him being the absolute best pfp boxer of all time in his prime. i think the tarver ko is a legit indicator. putting on weight and taking it off doesn't automatically kill your chin.

With that said... did you SEE the punch Roy got knocked out with?

A left handed bomb that landed right on his jaw line... that punch would of sat down damn near anyone in the division.

Why is it when someone gets knocked out they always had a weak chin? Anyone can get hit with the right punch and get sat down... and WITH THAT Roy STILL got his ass up by 10... a bit too late and he was stopped rightfully so... but that punch would of dropped anyone.

Fighting Johnson 4 months later was a terrible move.

[IMDAZED]

i agree with your post- read the second part of my post above. I also already posted that roy's resume is anywhere from 1-4 since 1990 IMO.

it wasn't a prime roy, i never said that. roy showed some mental weakness IMO and some chin weakness. the first things to go and a lot of these posts seem to be responding to a post of mine that was designed for a specific post by a different poster in this thread.

how do we really know what roy's chin was like in his prime if we're speculating about him being the absolute best pfp boxer of all time in his prime. i think the tarver ko is a legit indicator. putting on weight and taking it off doesn't automatically kill your chin.

If that is indeed the case, he would've been KO'ed by Tarver in the first fight. A fight where he took many more lefts and sustained plenty of punishment for 12 rounds. Jones was slipping--and Tarver is a pretty hard hitter.

[Walt Liquor]

With that said... did you SEE the punch Roy got knocked out with?

A left handed bomb that landed right on his jaw line... that punch would of sat down damn near anyone in the division.

Why is it when someone gets knocked out they always had a weak chin? Anyone can get hit with the right punch and get sat down... and WITH THAT Roy STILL got his ass up by 10... a bit too late and he was stopped rightfully so... but that punch would of dropped anyone.

Fighting Johnson 4 months later was a terrible move.

yes, i did see it and it was a perfect punch.