you really think no one pdp wouldhave been able to get to that chin? So speed power annd that roy had, but he has a suspect chin.
And i love how he was over the hill for tarver now.
I do agree that roy's res > floyds though.
i don't see what the big deal is with roy jones and this chin s***. dude had fought like what over 40 fights @ 35 years old when tarver caught him, and his chin was still "suspect"?...i been made the assessment that his chin was not granite, but decent after he got up from the del valle knockdown, all the shots he took from griffin and tarver in the first fights, and he took a good right hand from ruiz that if he was truly china chinned, would have put him on his back...
soooo....it was obvious that he was fighting bigger, stronger cats by the time he moved up to 175...not out of the realm of possibility that one of 'em would be able to land a ko shot on him once he lost a step....hell it took your boy hopkins 20 years to fight another lightheavyweight after he lost his first fight at lightheavy....
This resume will not be as in depth as the Mayweather and Pacquiao ones, but look back for yourself, and you can remember each fighter going into the fight and such.
1992: Glenn Thomas (24-0)- W TKO8
1993: Bernard Hopkins (22-1)- W UD12 (Won vacant IBF Middleweight title)
1994: Thomas Tate (29-2)- W TKO2
1995: James Toney (44-0-2)- W UD12 (Won IBF Super Middlweight title)
1997: Montel Griffin (26-0)- L DQ 9 (Griffin struck after taking a knee in round 9)
1997: Montel Griffin (27-0)- W KO1 (Won WBC Light Heavyweight title)
1998: Virgil Hill (43-2)- W KO4
1998: Lou Del Valle (27-1)- W UD12 (Won WBA Light Heavyweight title)
1998: Otis Grant (31-1)- W TKO10
1999: Reggie Johnson (39-5-1)- W UD12 (Won IBF Light Heavyweight title)
2000: Eric Harding (19-0-1)- W RTD10
2001: Julio Cesar Gonzalez (27-0)- W UD12
2002: Glen Kelly (28-0-1)- W KO7
2002: Clinton Woods (32-1)- W TKO6
2003: John Ruiz (38-4)- W UD12 (Won WBA Heavyweight title)
2003: Antonio Tarver (21-1)- W MD12
2004: Antonio Tarver (21-2)- L TKO2 (Lost WBC and WBA Light Heavyweight titles)
2004: Glen Johnson (40-9-2)- L KO9
2005: Antonio Tarver (23-3)- L UD12
2008: Felix Trinidad (42-2)- W UD12
2008: Joe Calzaghe (45-0)- L UD12
2009: Jeff Lacy (25-2)- W RTD10
2010: Bernard Hopkins (50-5-1)- L UD12
I must say, I love Roy Jones Jr., one of my favorite fighters of all-time, but his resume was not THAT great. He had great wins over prime versions of Hopkins and Toney, but not much byond that. Granted, his divisions were what they were at the time he was fighting and still good. I don't put too much stock into his fights after the 2nd Tarver fight, as he was way past his prime, pretty much the same with Ali after Frazier III, Norton III, and Shavers. Roy's prime was roughly 1993-2001, and he was past his prime still good from 2002-2004. After 2004, Roy was done.
I'd give Roy's resume a B, mainly due to the facts that he still had wins over Hopkins, Toney, Griffin, Hill, and Tarver, but not any higher because he had so many fights against guys that were just alright/decent fighters.
i rate his resume as a A- its great what he managed to accomplish in his career being a 4 weight division champion and beating the best of his division, i however gave him A- because of the fact that there Could have been fights with fighters such as the following weight divisions:
Super Middleweight:
Gerald Mclellan
Benn or Eubank
Heavyweight:
Lennox Lewis
Either K-Brother
Holyfield
Byrd
(I say HW because i believe if he stayed at HW he would have had an even better record either then having beaten just ruiz and probably would have lost sooner or later because of the fact about the competition back in the Heavyweight division was better and would have done wonders for his legacy then, but instead made the worst move ever by dropping back down to LHW, Not included Mike Tyson to roster because in 2003 when Roy became champion mike was not exactly going to be a good win since he was on the end of his career)
i agree with your post- read the second part of my post above. I also already posted that roy's resume is anywhere from 1-4 since 1990 IMO.
it wasn't a prime roy, i never said that. roy showed some mental weakness IMO and some chin weakness. the first things to go and a lot of these posts seem to be responding to a post of mine that was designed for a specific post by a different poster in this thread.
how do we really know what roy's chin was like in his prime if we're speculating about him being the absolute best pfp boxer of all time in his prime. i think the tarver ko is a legit indicator. putting on weight and taking it off doesn't automatically kill your chin.
Roberto Duran must have been chinny huh or he was past it
Say his chin isnt that good. The fact that he went 15 years with only one knockdown, shows that he was basically un hittable. Who else has gone that long. Floyd? He sat down cause his hand hurt, and Judah put him down but it wasnt counted.
The thing is, when it comes to chins it always better not to get hit then to have a good chin.
Margarito, Shane, De La hoya , the nicaraguan, they all have great chins, and Shane And oscar had great skill as well, but they arent on Floyd or Roy level because those guys were hittable and Roy and Floyd were not.
No matter how hard your chin is, Felix Trinidad, and Mike Tyson will put you down with one solid flush shot to the Jaw. Avoiding the punch is the only thing that will save you, and Floyd, and Roy could do that all night.
Roys ability to be unhittable nulifies talk of a weak chin because its a moot point. It doesnt matter what his chin is like because during his prime 40 fights showed that he couldnt be touched.
i don't see what the big deal is with roy jones and this chin s***. dude had fought like what over 40 fights @ 35 years old when tarver caught him, and his chin was still "suspect"?...i been made the assessment that his chin was not granite, but decent after he got up from the del valle knockdown, all the shots he took from griffin and tarver in the first fights, and he took a good right hand from ruiz that if he was truly china chinned, would have put him on his back...
soooo....it was obvious that he was fighting bigger, stronger cats by the time he moved up to 175...not out of the realm of possibility that one of 'em would be able to land a ko shot on him once he lost a step....hell it took your boy hopkins 20 years to fight another lightheavyweight after he lost his first fight at lightheavy....
This is for you and dazed. Im ONLY talking about roy's chin from the perspective of him fighting the best fighters of all time pfp. Im not talking about him having no chin, or a suspect chin in his era. My entire responses are based on some posters in this thread who think jones in his prime would beat anyone all time pfp.
I feel that the way he went out vs tarver when he got blasted out is a basis to consider him more vulnerable vs fellow atg prime fighters. If dazed doesnt think it has any bearing on how those fantasy fights would play out. More power to him. I think it does, and on top of that, his mentality of appearing to give up
When faced with that adversity might rear its head.
And im not talking about trying to get up after getting blasted. Im talking qbout trying to fight when facing true adversity.
Say his chin isnt that good. The fact that he went 15 years with only one knockdown, shows that he was basically un hittable. Who else has gone that long. Floyd? He sat down cause his hand hurt, and Judah put him down but it wasnt counted.
The thing is, when it comes to chins it always better not to get hit then to have a good chin.
Margarito, Shane, De La hoya , the nicaraguan, they all have great chins, and Shane And oscar had great skill as well, but they arent on Floyd or Roy level because those guys were hittable and Roy and Floyd were not.
No matter how hard your chin is, Felix Trinidad, and Mike Tyson will put you down with one solid flush shot to the Jaw. Avoiding the punch is the only thing that will save you, and Floyd, and Roy could do that all night.
Roys ability to be unhittable nulifies talk of a weak chin because its a moot point. It doesnt matter what his chin is like because during his prime 40 fights showed that he couldnt be touched.
I guess guys like pep, loche, or pea could never do it either.
Roy and floyd only. I mean they fought about the same level of comp.....
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