Did Pacquiao duck Zorrita Soto?

[IronDanHamza]

lol...i don't even know why you have to bring up floyd in this thread in the first place. i was making a suggestion to people to help them sleep better at night...and then you butt in with your justification for floyd

Justification for Floyd? What are you talking about?

I actually agree with what you're saying. I don't personally think Pacquaio ducked Soto and your suggestion of people going back and just naming the names he didn't fight in his division and claiming he ducked them would be ******.

The same applies for the idiots who claim Mayweather ducked like 10+ fighters.

I don't see how, in any way that is a 'Justification' (What?) for Mayweather. What am I justifying?

[Pacroid]

Manny es puto

[IMDAZED]

Ortiz vs Floyd was a success for obvious reasons - victor was a much bigger name than soto ever was or will be, he was coming off a very impressive fight of the year candidate on HBO against Berto. Who was soto coming off a win against again? oh yeah, a nobody. Add to that 24/7 and it's mayweather, a certified star who will sell against anyone and once again your argument goes to ****. Pac wasn't a huge star yet, only after he fought oscar was a huge star (just like floyd). Additionally Floyd was able to take like a 90% split of the pot against ortiz just because he could. Pac vs Soto would have done AT BEST the same PPV number as Solis did, which is still less money than what pac made fighting barrera. Again nice try, but still you fail.

I just laid down facts. Pac & Barrera were set to rematch early in the year, it couldn't happen because of the lawsuit so it was delayed to later in the year. Barrera even at that time was probably a better fight competitively speaking than soto was, who lets face it would have walked forward who as we all know pac shines against, but not guzman, I'll give you the latter. I always wanted the guzman fight to happen and i'm such a pacquiao "dick rider" I was even saying on this message board at the time guzman was going to beat pacquiao. Yeah what a giant ******* I am saying guzman was going to outbox him.

You see, NATAS...if you weren't in such a rush to defend Pacquiao, you wouldn't have put yourself in this position. You argue that Floyd was able to make more money against Ortiz because he could take a good portion of the pot. And that is why he was able to make more against a lesser name (Ortiz) than a bigger name (Mosley). Yet, you willfully blind yourself to how Pacquiao could have easily done the same to a lesser name (Soto/Guzman/anybody) as compared to the bigger name (past prime fighter coming off a loss). At the end of the day it's about low risk, high reward. I'm not cool with that.

The reality is, Manny Pacquiao chose the path with less resistance. I don't know about you but I wouldn't be in here defending that. Unless, of course, you're a d*ckrider. In which case, in your rush to defend his honor, you'll go as far as to argue that an aging Barrera was "probably better" than Soto--even though Marco looked like basura against the ordinary Rocky Juarez. A guy who got his a** beat from pillar to post by (guess who) Soto. But that's neither here nor there. Guzman, Soto, whoever. It could've been anyone but Barrera. It wasn't. Years later, I see the same d*ckriders making excuses for these actions, past and present.

[The_Demon]

Very cute, ask me a question and say I can't answer, I do, then bring up floyd . Nice tactics but still not going to work.

Ortiz vs Floyd was a success for obvious reasons - victor was a much bigger name than soto ever was or will be, he was coming off a very impressive fight of the year candidate on HBO against Berto. Who was soto coming off a win against again? oh yeah, a nobody. Add to that 24/7 and it's mayweather, a certified star who will sell against anyone and once again your argument goes to ****. Pac wasn't a huge star yet, only after he fought oscar was a huge star (just like floyd). Additionally Floyd was able to take like a 90% split of the pot against ortiz just because he could. Pac vs Soto would have done AT BEST the same PPV number as Solis did, which is still less money than what pac made fighting barrera. Again nice try, but still you fail.




I just laid down facts. Pac & Barrera were set to rematch early in the year, it couldn't happen because of the lawsuit so it was delayed to later in the year. Barrera even at that time was probably a better fight competitively speaking than soto was, who lets face it would have walked forward who as we all know pac shines against, but not guzman, I'll give you the latter. I always wanted the guzman fight to happen and i'm such a pacquiao "dick rider" I was even saying on this message board at the time guzman was going to beat pacquiao. Yeah what a giant ******* I am saying guzman was going to outbox him.




I'm sure visualizing that is such a turn on for you. learn some new disses man it's always the same exact **** with you.

Natas leave him alone now,this ownage is getting embarrasing

[CasualBoxingFan]

Thats actually an interesting question.

better yet,

If Casamayor fought Pacquiao, who do you think wins? Casamayor is one hell of a fighter.

[ИATAS]

You see, NATAS...if you weren't in such a rush to defend Pacquiao, you wouldn't have put yourself in this position. You argue that Floyd was able to make more money against Ortiz because he could take a good portion of the pot. And that is why he was able to make more against a lesser name (Ortiz) than a bigger name (Mosley). Yet, you willfully blind yourself to how Pacquiao could have easily done the same to a lesser name (Soto/Guzman/anybody) as compared to the bigger name (past prime fighter coming off a loss). At the end of the day it's about low risk, high reward. I'm not cool with that.

You wrote all this and yet failed to realize pacquiao made more money against barrera than he did against solis. if pac fought soto he would have got the same, or less than he did against solis. was solis demanding any more money than say soto was? nope.

The reality is, Manny Pacquiao chose the path with less resistance. I don't know about you but I wouldn't be in here defending that. Unless, of course, you're a d*ckrider. In which case, in your rush to defend his honor, you'll go as far as to argue that an aging Barrera was "probably better" than Soto--even though Marco looked like basura against the ordinary Rocky Juarez. A guy who got his a** beat from pillar to post by (guess who) Soto. But that's neither here nor there. Guzman, Soto, whoever. It could've been anyone but Barrera. It wasn't. Years later, I see the same d*ckriders making excuses for these actions, past and present.

more ****s!

Could have sworn Barrera looked good in his previous fight against Marquez and even clearly knocked down marquez in the 7th, but hey let's ignore that one since it doesn't fit your argument. What the hell did soto ever do? beat the great rocky juarez, really?? That's his great victory on his resume? pffft

[IMDAZED]

You wrote all this and yet failed to realize pacquiao made more money against barrera than he did against solis. if pac fought soto he would have got the same, or less than he did against solis. was solis demanding any more money than say soto was? nope.

I didn't fail to realize anything. Solis is not Soto. And at the time was definitely not as popular as Soto, who made his HBO debut by pulling one off the biggest upsets that year in a fight of the year candidate. Furthermore, there is nothing that suggests Pacquiao couldn't do to his stablemate what Mayweather was able to do with Ortiz. No, I didn't fail to realize anything. Although, I'm asking myself why you're on here defending Pacquiao's business decisions.

Could have sworn Barrera looked good in his previous fight against Marquez and even clearly knocked down marquez in the 7th, but hey let's ignore that one since it doesn't fit your argument. What the hell did soto ever do? beat the great rocky juarez, really?? That's his great victory on his resume? pffft.

How did Barrera do against Juarez? And since when did fighting the loser of a match become a good thing?

[IMDAZED]

Thats actually an interesting question.

better yet,

If Casamayor fought Pacquiao, who do you think wins? Casamayor is one hell of a fighter.

None of those fights happened because there was an endless need to have rematches with fighters for no reason other than lining his pockets - in between fighting no hopers for that same reason. You lose to Morales, Morales gets dominated by Raheem so....fight Morales again. You beat him up even worse than Raheem so...fight Morales a third time. You beat up Barrera years ago and since then he shows his decline so...fight him again. Inexcusable.

[ИATAS]

I didn't fail to realize anything.

if you didn't fail to realize that then you understand pac made MORE money fighting barrera. If that is true, your whole post is worthless because your entire point was about how pac could have taken a larger cut like floyd did to ortiz blah blah blah.

If pac fought soto, he would have made the same or less than he did fighting solis, who again was ranked higher & undefeated. Going in circles now. Same stuff we already went over. barrera = biggest fight for pac at the time (as far as PPV buys and money earned). Solis = only happened cuz barrera rematch was delayed, higher ranking than soto.

How did Barrera do against Juarez?

I could have sworn Barrera got two wins against Rocky, the second fight Barrera basically put on a boxing clinic shutting rocky down, the first fight Barrera clearly won but Juarez came on late in the fight (which he did often), then had a close fight with marquez and knocked him down in the 7th. And prior to that beat Pedan who was coming off a TKO win over Nate Campbell.

And since when did fighting the loser of a match become a good thing?

I don't know ask mayweather when he fought Zab Judah.

[ИATAS]

None of those fights happened because there was an endless need to have rematches with fighters for no reason other than lining his pockets - in between fighting no hopers for that same reason. You lose to Morales, Morales gets dominated by Raheem so....fight Morales again. You beat him up even worse than Raheem so...fight Morales a third time. You beat up Barrera years ago and since then he shows his decline so...fight him again. Inexcusable.

totally inexcusable. what a bum sugar ray robinson was for fighting Jake LaMotta 6 times, I mean he lost to him, then beat him, then beat him again, and again, LaMotta clearly fading and he kept fighting him! What a chump Robinson was for making big fights!