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Oh really?
Please quote me where I have said anything remotely like what you are claiming I have said, please.
It has nothing to do with a single night, an off performance or a loss.
It's to do with the fact that Barrera was clearly past his prime at that point. The general conesus was he was past his prime and common sensical view was he was past prime.
You're claiming otherwise because you're a moron with a blatent agenda.Comment
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Oh really?
Please quote me where I have said anything remotely like what you are claiming I have said, please.
It has nothing to do with a single night, an off performance or a loss.
It's to do with the fact that Barrera was clearly past his prime at that point. The general conesus was he was past his prime and common sensical view was he was past prime.
You're claiming otherwise because you're a moron with a blatent agenda.
Oh I get it, someone is past their prime if a lot of people on NSB say they are.
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Bro there's a difference between coming in to a fight with a better gameplan and being closer to your optimal fighting stage.
For the 2nd Pac fight he had already had the advantage of fighting Pac before and he had a better idea of how to not get knocked out.
This is the Barrera that was PHYSICALLY PAST HIS PRIME and had to adapt in other ways in order to be competitive.
Sure he had some refined skills but he was physically past his prime....his reflexes weren't as sharp, the guy just lost a step and gained some guile out of the situation that helped him lengthen his career. But he was still past his prime.Comment
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Is that what I said? Funny, I don't remember saying that.
Mind quoting that statment too? Along with the other things you're claiming I've said.
It's ok, Barrera was in his absolute prime in 2007.
Hell, he was in his prime for the Khan fight, too.
Infact, he might even still be in his prime now.
2011 Barrera >>> 2000 Barrera anyday of the week. You think 2011 would get beaten by Junior Jones? No chance!
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Is that what I said? Funny, I don't remember saying that.Is that what I said? Funny, I don't remember saying that.
Mind quoting that statment too? Along with the other things you're claiming I've said.
It's ok, Barrera was in his absolute prime in 2007.
Hell, he was in his prime for the Khan fight, too.
Infact, he might even still be in his prime now.
2011 Barrera >>> 2000 Barrera anyday of the week. You think 2011 would get beaten by Junior Jones? No chance!
Mind quoting that statment too? Along with the other things you're claiming I've said.
Ok here is your chance, explain what prime means, and what makes a fighter past his prime?Comment
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Nice quotes you have displayed there.
Prime to me is when a fighter is at their very best. Physically and mentally.
The idea of prime is a state of where they are at their very best.
You can be past your prime as a fighter, but still be capable. Still be a top fighter, still be at the top of your division, despite being past prime.
Floyd Mayweather is past his prime now. He's not at his very best and peak, he's past that, he's declined a little since then. But at the same time, despite being a little past prime, he's still one of the elite, top fighters in the sport.
"Past prime" does not = "Shot" or "Done". which it seems that you seem to think it does. Once a fighter is past his prime it doesn't make them 'done'. Like I said, a fighter can be past their prime and still beat a top fighter in their prime. I'm not sure why I have to explain this to you. Because it's ****ing obvious, and common sense. But it seems you can't grasp that.
Prime has little to do with age.
Fighter A might be in their prime at 21 whist fighter B might be in his prime at 35. Figters are different, they age different, they mature different, they learn differently.
An indicator for a fighter being past his prime is when their becomes visibly dimished. The speed of this can obviously vary. Some decline rapidly whilst others decline slowly. Some decline rapidly overnight whilst others takes a handful of years to decline to the same point. Like I said, it varies.
Pernell Whitaker for example was past his prime in the fight with Oscar De La Hoya despite still being relatively capable at the time.
The indicators for that were his fights with Hurtado and Riveria. Fight's in which, it was clearly visible he was past his prime.
As for Barrera, his absolute prime to me IMO was between 00-03. I personally feel he was at his peak in around 03, when Pacquaio fought him. At that point, he was physically at his peak but also had the adjusted skills to go with it.
Saying Barrera was in his prime in 2007, and at 130 in general is outright idiocy. There is no other way to describe it.
It takes merely a working pair of eyes. Hell, a single working eye to see that Barrera was past his prime in 2007.
It doesn't even matter that everyone in the world considered his best days to be behind him at that point. Like I said, all it takes is simple vision. His fights with Juarez alone are clear indicator's he was past his prime.
His valiant losing effort in his fight with Marquez was just a testament to how great of a fighter he is. It doesn't mean he's suddenly not past his prime.
Is that a good enough breakdown for you? Of what a 'Prime' is. (Here's me thinking it's self explanitory).
But no, instead you decide to literally put words in my mouth and claim I am saying something I have outright not said, off literally sheer assumption.
Like I said, you deny to adknowledge that Barrera was past his prime in 2007 because you have an agenda. Everyone on this website knows it.Comment
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