Comments Thread For: DiBella: Martinez Better Than Manny, Beats Mayweather

[hugh grant]

How many lineal Champions has Pac fought at WW?

Ok ok ok, I'll make it easy. How many Champions has Pac fought at WW without a CW?

Ok ok sorry, I will make it even easier. How many Champions as Pac fought at WW?

Pac can't live off one CW fight vs Cotto back in 2009. lol

Why do u ask how many champs fought without a CW at WW? Whats a CW got to do with anything? Pac beat them thats all u need to know!
Yes Pac can live off a win over Cotto, if that is better than anything Floyds ever done and Floyd ducked Cotto.

Because Floyd beat Shane who was the #1 WW. Roach and Pac didn't want any parts of Shane after he KO'd Margarito. Even demanded a catch weight Shane couldn't even make.

Cotto could have been considered whoever he wanted to be at the time but he wasn't the #1 WW by beating SSM

Cotto was the superstar of the WW division just like Hatton was at 140 before Cotto lost to Margarito. So Cotto was the no1 at WW. Losing to Margarito doesnt mean Cottos not the no1 WW. Cotto beat SSM, and he softened up Margariot for SSM anyway. SSM beating Margarito dont make SSM the no1 WW. Floyd beat SSM, but so did Cotto.
Styles make fights. Just cos Floyd beat SSM dont mean hed beat Cotto. If Floyd didnt want any debates he should have fought and beat Cotto and Margarito as well.
Pac beat the no1 WW in Cotto. SSM wasnt, he was an old man.

[bluetuazon]

if your racist ass can spell I would have even dignified your post by not adding the :****you:

same guy who got me banned for calling him trailer trash...that boy is sensitive bro...whenever he see a pac threat..his ******* get hard! lol

[GRUSTLER]

Skills vs achievements are two entirely different things. In other words, you can be blessed with all the talent in the world, and still not have the resume that Pac has. Is Mayweather the best skilled fighter in the world? YES. The names on Pac's resume also speak to a truly special fighter. Zab Judah was also incredibly talented...look how far that got him.

From 135 to 154 (150) Pac's resume is not that impressive. Hatton was a good win because he was the champ of the division. Oscar was good for him because people thought it was too much weight for him to climb. Not going to knock him for Oscar's mistakes. Cotto was a good win but would have been much better at 147 OR the Mosley fight after his KO over Margarito. Clottey and post Mosley were fights Pac didn't even need to take if he was looking to impress. Margarito at 150 catch weight for Sergio Martinez's vacant title AFTER dude came off of a year suspension for cheating? The only guy that he has fought that I give him full credit and props for fighting is Juan Manuel Marquez and he didn't even win in my eyes and many others. you don't have to believe it but it has already happened and is still going on.

[Queen_Leia]

I got no problem with Sergio fighting Floyd at 154. Floyd is supposed to be good because he won a one off 154 fight with DLH.
One fight at 154 is not enough for Floyd. He needs to do more at that weight and stop staying at 147 if he isnt going to fight anyone of any consequence and isnt going to fight Pac anytime soon.

Money is NOT a 154 lber....stop trying to have him go outside his weight class...even on fight night he never weight over 154.

Makavilla needs to fight the Son of God..you know SOMEONE HIS OWN SIZE.

[switchsouthpaw]

I never said it was a conspiracy theory but looking at the Clottey and Mosley fights using what most call observation you would see that something was suspect but you don't have to believe it. Everything I posted is true and what happened but you still want to debate me using your own personal feelings. Cotto ducked Paul Williams and fought for his title vacantly against Michael Jennings. How can you give Pac props for beating Mosley and not Mayweather? Mayweather fought Mosley who was #1 at the time and KO'd Margarito while Pac openly ducked him through Roach. You keep saying how Pac beat all of the guys Floyd fought better AFTER Floyd and when they were physically and mentally better. I never made any excuses or downed Pac for Hatton or Oscar because I thought he would lose but lets be real. Oscar was a Zombie and Hatton had the worst training camp in Floyd Sr.

Lets get even realer. Cotto had a fight with his uncle and didn't even have proper training against Pac and was at a catch weight. Like you said. Margarito was exposed and Pac fought him at a catch weight for a vacant title (Martinez). If Pac was/is indeed that great then why Cotto at 145 and Margarito at 150? Oh... because he is too small right? Ok but he fought Oscar at 147 prior to Cotto. Floyd tried to fight Pac but Pac went to fight Clottey. You are on some other ****. You got the nerve to talk about conspiracies when you all up in Margarito's head telling me what he was thinking when he fought Mosley. Here you go with the "Floyd ducked Cotto and Margarito" prove it. I posted numerous times on here why them fights didn't happen at 147 and mainly it was because Arum didn't want to make the fight with Oscar for Floyd AND Arum hid Cotto at 140 from Floyd and I can prove all of this. Can you?

Ok so the excuses that Cotto had a fight with his uncle (see above), and that Hatton had a bad training camp (see above), those excuses are legitimate? But you saying that Mosley became number 1 after he beat Margarito, even though Margarito walked out of his locker room after his wraps confiscated, and you want to give Mosley credit for that, just so you can lend credit to Mayweather bi-proxy for fighting the number "1" guy, those are all circular arguments.

You say Cotto fought his uncle and his mind was elsewhere, and that Hatton had a bad camp, all of which is possible, but Margarito was facing what could have possible become a criminal act, and walked out of the locker room in the middle of all of that. In hindsight why should Mosley get full credit for fighting a "suspect" guy, just so you can give credit to Floyd for fighting Mosley. Mosley struggled against Mayorga and has looked bad in many other fights, so that mountain that Mayweather climbed isn't nothing new nor is it special. You can blame Arum this and that, point is, how come you never hear Floyd calling anyone out? You never hear him say Cotto, Pac, or Martinez' names? Oh let me guess, because he's "the cash cow" and cash cows don't need to call anyone out. This ain't a rap video. Mayweather intends on being active, he needs to fight the best and in the past he hasn't, those are FACTS.

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Cotto was the superstar of the WW division just like Hatton was at 140 before Cotto lost to Margarito. So Cotto was the no1 at WW. Losing to Margarito doesnt mean Cottos not the no1 WW. Cotto beat SSM, and he softened up Margariot for SSM anyway. SSM beating Margarito dont make SSM the no1 WW. Floyd beat SSM, but so did Cotto.
Styles make fights. Just cos Floyd beat SSM dont mean hed beat Cotto. If Floyd didnt want any debates he should have fought and beat Cotto and Margarito as well.
Pac beat the no1 WW in Cotto. SSM wasnt, he was an old man.

DENIAL X 10!!!!!!!!


Cotto was NEVER the number 1 WW, even after beating Mosley. Magarito TKO'd Cotto to become the #1 WW and Shane KO'd Margarito to become the #1 WW, then Floyd beat Shane to become the #1 WW. If Cotto was indeed the number 1 WW when Pac fought him then he would have been the #1 WW in the division but Floyd has always been #1 at WW. Pac may have got the slot once but that's only because Floyd stayed away too long. Maybe if Cotto would have beaten Margarito the first time then he would have most likely been #1. Don't use your personal feelings to go against actual facts.

[hugh grant]

From 135 to 154 (150) Pac's resume is not that impressive. Hatton was a good win because he was the champ of the division. Oscar was good for him because people thought it was too much weight for him to climb. Not going to knock him for Oscar's mistakes. Cotto was a good win but would have been much better at 147 OR the Mosley fight after his KO over Margarito. .

Ha ha, Pacs win over Cotto was a great win. Cotto is a human being not a 2lb weight. Cotto is defined by being a great boxer and a superstar of the sport and not a number.

It was a great win for Pac, by stopping the bigger man. Floyd might have beat Cotto and it would have been a great win for Floyd as well, but Floyd wouldnt have stopped him. Pac has the ability to take the decision out of the judges hands. Floyd hasnt got that ability and cant do that, so even before the fight he knows the fights going 12 rounds.
Bonus points for Pac. Pac can do both, with large points victories and ko people.

[Dempsey-Roll]

Pretty sure if Martinez and Pac are the same size, Pac beats him hands down.

I almost wished Pac didnt fight Margarito because now we got a JMW wanting an easy pay.

[hugh grant]

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Cotto was NEVER the number 1 WW, even after beating Mosley. Magarito TKO'd Cotto to become the #1 WW and Shane KO'd Margarito to become the #1 WW, then Floyd beat Shane to become the #1 WW. If Cotto was indeed the number 1 WW when Pac fought him then he would have been the #1 WW in the division but Floyd has always been #1 at WW. Pac may have got the slot once but that's only because Floyd stayed away too long. Maybe if Cotto would have beaten Margarito the first time then he would have most likely been #1. Don't use your personal feelings to go against actual facts.

Cotto was favourite against Margarito but underestimated him and thats why he lost. But Cotto was still better than Marge as he was beating him for most of the fight. Floyd beating SSM dont mean nothing because Cotto also beat him. Floyd cant claim to be no1 without beating Cotto. Just cos Cotto lost to margarito. So would Floyd lose to Margarito and u cant prove otherwise. Thats why Floyd should fight people.
As it stands, Floyd beat SSM, but Cotto beat him before Floyd, so SSm is used goods. Floyd likes leftovers.
Pac beat Cotto, Marge and SSM so whatever way u look at it, Pac is way ahead of Floyd. Floyd beats Pac twice and then Sergio. Then he can be level with Pac.

[1prodz]

Martinez and his team are actually such a shower of wankers! they need to stop calling out welterweights and move up to 12 stone. there's absolutely no excuse not to do so - he's 5ft10. Sugar Ray Leonard was the same height, and not only did he win a super middleweight title, but he also won a light heavyweight title.

I hope he never gets his shot at a top class payday, because frankly, he's annoying me.

Everybody needs to realize what a coward maynever really is. Example of maynever's cowardliness willing and eager to fight a light weight (jmm) and have Marquez move up 2 weight class but scared to death to fight Martinez at 154 and move up 1 weight class. Maynever's not an example of an all-time great he is an example of an all-time coward and low risk taker .