Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez: Pacquiao is a Fake Pound for Pound King

[WESS]

reread your own post.

you obviously referred to me when you made your rant. it wasn't a general statement because your post was directed at me obviously. However, for some reason, you seem to willfully forget such a fact.

anyway, if you refuse to acknowledge your own post, its up to you.

Of course it was at you, I responded to your post in which you give credit to one fighter for what another fighter is (rightfully) bashed for. You use it towards your agenda as if it's ok to do. lol My point.

[solo20]

And that's the thing. Freddie Roach was banking on JMM not being effective at 144 catchweight because of the fight with Floyd. Noticed how surprised he was after the fight? What kind of world renown trainer would be surprised about a fighter (JMM) giving his fighter problems (Pac) when that has always been the case? Set up back fired.

no he was banking of JMM being OLD not the weight there is a video on youtube Freddie Roach saying they thought he was pass it and thought he had nothing left at a high level of fighting it had nothing to do with the weight

53 mark on the the video

[AFighter4U]

Of course it was at you, I responded to your post in which you give credit to one fighter for what another fighter is (rightfully) bashed for. You use it towards your agenda as if it's ok to do. lol My point.

i give credit to where credit is due. that goes for both manny AND floyd. it is common for fighters to use their leverage in negotiating fights. Oscar did it, manny did it, and so does floyd and so do many other fighters in similar situations. i don't bash or applaud it.

it is simply fact.

and by the way. the point is mine since you contradicted your own statement. you said at first your statement was a general statement, ignoring the obvious that it was directed at me.

then when i pointed it out, you admitted it was directed at me. (foolishly i might add)

[WESS]

i give credit to where credit is due. that goes for both manny AND floyd. it is common for fighters to use their leverage in negotiating fights. Oscar did it, manny did it, and so does floyd and so do many other fighters in similar situations. i don't bash or applaud it.

it is simply fact.

and by the way. the point is mine since you contradicted your own statement. you said at first your statement was a general statement, ignoring the obvious that it was directed at me.

then when i pointed it out, you admitted it was directed at me. (foolishly i might add)

Still just because others do it does not make it right.

Also the statement was in general because a lot of people do it, however I replied to your post that you agreed with fighters getting advantages over others. Which is something people bash Floyd for doing yet you use it towards your agenda in supporting Pac...

[Fetta]

I just read that Martinez is saying what a MAJORITY of people are thinking in that Pac lost that fight and he shouldnt be considered the #1 P4P anymore. He was calling Pac out before but not in this article so i dont see why so much hate towards him.

[Pirao]

Sergio should shut up and start fighting good competition in his weight class again.

[AFighter4U]

Still just because others do it does not make it right.

Also the statement was in general because a lot of people do it, however I replied to your post that you agreed with fighters getting advantages over others. Which is something people bash Floyd for doing yet you use it towards your agenda in supporting Pac...

double standards is NEVER right. what is wrong is your directing your ire on double standards on yours truly when i've not given you reason to.

i never said i agreed with fighters getting advantages over others. i merely stated that they did so.

and if you actually read through the thread, i was merely answering grusler's question why manny fought oscar at 147 yet cotto at 145.

simple explanation was that oscar had the upper hand in negotiating and got manny to fight him at 147. then manny got the upper hand and negotiated with cotto to fight him at 145.

THEN you butted in with your manny/floyd rant, when floyd was NOWHERE in the conversation at all.

just shows where your mind constantly focuses on eh?


oh and yes, i do have an agenda of supporting manny. its pretty obvious. but i don't do so at floyd's expense. i praise manny for HIS achievements and HIS actions. i don't bash floyd to prop up manny. both of them are champions in their field and can be praised by their accomplishments alone.

[Fetta]

No one wants to fight him other than Pirog who won a vacant title against a prospect and hasnt done a single thing with that title. HBO will never go for that fight. Pirog has like 10 fights and a majority of them in Russia against club fighters. Hes calling out all big names and no one wants to fight him

[WESS]

double standards is NEVER right. what is wrong is your directing your ire on double standards on yours truly when i've not given you reason to.

i never said i agreed with fighters getting advantages over others. i merely stated that they did so.

and if you actually read through the thread, i was merely answering grusler's question why manny fought oscar at 147 yet cotto at 145.

simple explanation was that oscar had the upper hand in negotiating and got manny to fight him at 147. then manny got the upper hand and negotiated with cotto to fight him at 145.

THEN you butted in with your manny/floyd rant, when floyd was NOWHERE in the conversation at all.

just shows where your mind constantly focuses on eh?

Which is exactly why I "butted in". The busted Hoya that Pac fought got what was coming to him (I called that fight almost perfectly just like I did the Pac/Hatton fight).

Just because Hoya did it is NOT a valid reason why Pac could fight Cotto at a CW for a title after already fighting Hoya at WW with no CW regardless of who had the upper hand in negotiations. It was wrong and yet you speak of it as being ok because so and so did it before.

Again, two wrongs do not make a right. My point, which is why I replied to you post.

[GRUSTLER]

I disagree, Pac has made notable improvements, JMM and Nacho even admitted that. The problem is he reverted to his old habits against JMM, he wasn't patient. Footwork wise JMM was in better control but Pac had his moments where he maintained better positioning, especially in the middle rounds when he actually started moving away from JMM's right hand, just very inconsistent because of his patience IMO.

If Pacquiao improved so much then why was JMM able to beat him more convincingly 3 years older and moving up to where Pac was dominating bigger guys? Nothing in that fight showed me Pac improved. If anything JMM improved because he was able to make a larger argument that he won then the past 2 fights.