Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez: Pacquiao is a Fake Pound for Pound King

[madsweeney]

Thanks I am thinking Foreman.

Look, we agree there was no need to fight Raheem. I just think TR knew stylistically it made for a bad match for manny as his whole "aura" was he can beat up bigger guys.

My point is fighting clottey, marg, cotto, hatton, diaz is not a good gauge on how one would do vs a JMM or a mosley.

I agree they're not good gauge's for JMM, but c'mon Mosley? He didn't box, he ran for dear life. Boxing is hitting without getting hit, not just running so you can't get hit, even though Pac still out landed him nearly 4-1 from rounds 4 on. That was not boxing, that was surviving.


Here's my point, all this argument that Pac struggles against boxers/movers yet the 3 most skilled boxers he's faced, he's either drawn or beaten. As bad as we can agree that his past few fights have been, who exactly is better than his opponents @ ww besides Floyd? Berto....maybe?!?

[AFighter4U]

Which is exactly why I "butted in". The busted Hoya that Pac fought got what was coming to him (I called that fight almost perfectly just like I did the Pac/Hatton fight).

Just because Hoya did it is NOT a valid reason why Pac could fight Cotto at a CW for a title after already fighting Hoya at WW with no CW regardless of who had the upper hand in negotiations. It was wrong and yet you speak of it as being ok because so and so did it before.

Again, two wrongs do not make a right. My point, which is why I replied to you post.

you're weird.

you consider it your point over me because of the fact that OTHER FOLKS have double standards?

and if you read my post, i never bashed nor praised manny or oscar for their choices in negotiating their fights. i merely stated that they did so.

you made assumptions about my statements, (grossly false unfortunately for you) then made conclusions based on your false assumptions and thus declared yourself the winner.

now who can argue with someone who thinks like that?

and comparing the oscar/manny fight with the cotto/manny fight is another subject entirely.

[WESS]

you're weird.

you consider it your point over me because of the fact that OTHER FOLKS have double standards?

and if you read my post, i never bashed nor praised manny or oscar for their choices in negotiating their fights. i merely stated that they did so.

you made assumptions about my statements, (grossly false unfortunately for you) then made conclusions based on your false assumptions and thus declared yourself the winner.

now who can argue with someone who thinks like that?

and comparing the oscar/manny fight with the cotto/manny fight is another subject entirely.

Winner? Winner of what? I didn't know there was some competition going on. All I said is that people in general credit one fighter doing something and bash another for the same thing. In your post that I replied to, you gave praise to one fighter because other fighters do the same (wrong) thing. I pointed this out to you. Just because others do it, do not make it right.

I'm telling you that two wrongs do not make a right and should not be used in your agenda to credit Pac.

[AFighter4U]

Winner? Winner of what? I didn't know there was some competition going on. All I said is that people in general credit one fighter doing something and bash another for the same thing. In your post that I replied to, you gave praise to one fighter because other fighters do the same (wrong) thing. I pointed this out to you. Just because others do it, do not make it right.

I'm telling you that two wrongs do not make a right and should not be used in your agenda to credit Pac.

1. again. i did not praise or bash manny/oscar in my post. i merely stated the fact of what they did. reread my post. if for some reason you think it as praise, then its YOUR interpretation of my post. where may i ask, did i praise manny for using his upper hand in negotiating for his fight with cotto?

2. i would be using double standards IF i did praise manny and BASH floyd for doing the same thing, BUT I DID NOT DO SO.

which brings me to

#3. you attributed to me what others do which is apply "double standards", which is wrong. YOU are in the wrong here for accusing someone of something he simply didn't do.

[PACsmash]

Winner? Winner of what? I didn't know there was some competition going on. All I said is that people in general credit one fighter doing something and bash another for the same thing. In your post that I replied to, you gave praise to one fighter because other fighters do the same (wrong) thing. I pointed this out to you. Just because others do it, do not make it right.

I'm telling you that two wrongs do not make a right and should not be used in your agenda to credit Pac.

Dude just stfu because u do the same for Floyd and so does all the *****s. I guarantee someone makes a thread on Floyd and u would be in there defending whatever the argument is so don't act like your ***** don't stink!

[WESS]

1. again. i did not praise or bash manny/oscar in my post. i merely stated the fact of what they did. reread my post. if for some reason you think it as praise, then its YOUR interpretation of my post. where may i ask, did i praise manny for using his upper hand in negotiating for his fight with cotto?

2. i would be using double standards IF i did praise manny and BASH floyd for doing the same thing, BUT I DID NOT DO SO.

which brings me to

#3. you attributed to me what others do which is apply "double standards", which is wrong. YOU are in the wrong here for accusing someone of something he simply didn't do.

Again, in your post you stated that Pac had the advantage over Cotto because Hoya was allowed to vs him. I'm telling you two wrongs do not make a right. Using that in your agenda for an argument to defend Pac is wrong.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Really, cuz going into the DLH, Pac wasn't facing a threat? Cuz everyone knew he was going to blow out Hatton, right? And nobody gave Cotto a chance? Right? GTFOH. Since cotto you can argue Pac has been the favorite, that's what happens when your #1 or 2 in your division, everyone else, your supposed to beat. Where are these threats? Pavlik was perceived as a threat, I'll give you that but its not like Sergio has been fighting A-level opposition for the past few years, he has a couple good wins, and some obvious skill that's it.

Yes he was, except Oscar showed up dead where as that wasn't the case with none of the perceived threats Sergio faced. I'm not arguing about Hatton or Cotto, but he underperformed against Mosley who he was the heavy favorite against, and he lost to/ didn't perform well against Marquez.

I disagree, Pac has made notable improvements, JMM and Nacho even admitted that. The problem is he reverted to his old habits against JMM, he wasn't patient. Footwork wise JMM was in better control but Pac had his moments where he maintained better positioning, especially in the middle rounds when he actually started moving away from JMM's right hand, just very inconsistent because of his patience IMO.

That's the total opposite, when did old Pacquiao try to outbox Marquez, get technical, look to land a counter right hook that wasn't even landing, control distance, when? While he has improved, he needed to throw those improvements out the window and revert to his old self, he would have had more success. More success because he was actually much stronger than Marquez this time, much faster this time, much more durable this time so doing what he did before would have been easier for him. If Pacquiao or his team think they lost because they reverted to their old habits, they'll lose again, I'm confident in saying that.

[WESS]

Dude just stfu because u do the same for Floyd and so does all the *****s. I guarantee someone makes a thread on Floyd and u would be in there defending whatever the argument is so don't act like your ***** don't stink!

I was never about seeing Mayweather clown JMM and you would know that if you had been around long enough. Say what you want but I like Pac, but hate Arum who Pac hides behind.

[bojangles1987]

That's the total opposite, when did old Pacquiao try to outbox Marquez, get technical, look to land a counter right hook that wasn't even landing, control distance, when? While he has improved, he needed to throw those improvements out the window and revert to his old self, he would have had more success. More success because he was actually much stronger than Marquez this time, much faster this time, much more durable this time so doing what he did before would have been easier for him. If Pacquiao or his team think they lost because they reverted to their old habits, they'll lose again, I'm confident in saying that.

Completely freaking nailed it here. It drove me nuts to see Pacquiao trying to out-f***ing-box Marquez in that fight. I thought he would come out like old school Pac and try to steamroll Marquez, and he ended up doing the exact opposit.

[The Big Dunn]

Completely freaking nailed it here. It drove me nuts to see Pacquiao trying to out-f***ing-box Marquez in that fight. I thought he would come out like old school Pac and try to steamroll Marquez, and he ended up doing the exact opposit.

But when he did that he drew and won an SD. He did win this last fight by the widest margin so maybe this was the right tactic to use.