Better career as of now? Ward or Calzaghe?

[ChampBox@PR]

Would he done it as easy as Ward did though? I have doubts that Calzaghe would of beat Froch 10 rounds to 2.

Calzaghe would had probably TKO Frochs ass!! Accumulation of punishment and see a Lacy type beating or even worst!

[DiegoFuego]

I'm pretty sure Calzaghe would have beaten everybody in the "Super Six", so......

I think he beats them all except Ward; however, I don't think he wins as convincingly as Ward won his fights. Calzaghe and Kessler was a good fight. Ward-Kessler was never competitive for a minute.

[Guest]

Resume wise, then possibly Ward.

However, the bias of the TS shines through clearly, with gems such as people Calzaghe defeated being beaten easier afterwards. (Because after being pounded for 12 rounds we expected Lacy to be the same physically and pyschologically, right?)

Sometimes the fan game of "boxer X got beat by boxer B, but also got beat by boxer C" doesn't quite work. You have to take in account where the boxer is in their career, both in terms of career trajectory and in mental outlook. Obviously Kessler having accepted what it's like to lose once makes it easier for him to lose again, particularly if he's being butted in the face to achieve that.

As for references to Calzaghe not facing Froch, then Carl Froch wasn't even European level when Calzaghe "ducked" him. Why would someone with a world title accept a challenge from someone who isn't even highly ranked?

And Calzaghe not entering the Super Six if he'd had the chance... again, just pure speculation.



I say all this as a biased Brit, of course.

[DiegoFuego]

I'll admit my bias right now. I think Ward has done more with his career already than Calzaghe ever did. Look how I voted. The poll is public. I am not saying Calzaghe is not a great fighter. I am saying he didn't capitalize on his talent by notching solid wins. This poll is about resume, not talent. I think Ward has Calzaghe beat in both categories for what it's worth. Not because he's American or because he's black (I'm Hispanic after all, so what do I care?). I criticized Roy the same way I criticize Calzaghe. All that talent and you're going to sit on it.

[Guest]

Would he done it as easy as Ward did though? I have doubts that Calzaghe would of beat Froch 10 rounds to 2.

While I largely concur with your assessment of last night's fight, officially Ward didn't win 10 rounds as a majority view in the eyes of the people paid to score it.

[ßringer]

Would he done it as easy as Ward did though? I have doubts that Calzaghe would of beat Froch 10 rounds to 2.

I see nothing in Froch that suggests to me that Calzaghe would struggle to outpoint him. Carl's handspeed is laughable, his footwork sucks, half of the time his punches are wide and ineffective, etc..

Calzaghe would take him 8 rounds to 4 or 9 rounds to 3, easily.

You don't think Calzaghe could have easily beaten 4 of the following?

Mikkel Kessler (already did)
Glen Johnson
Jermain Taylor
Carl Froch
Sakio Bika (already did)
Andre Dirrell
Allen Green
Arthur Abraham
Andre Ward

The only person on this list that gives Joe a real fight is Andre Ward, for obvious, athletic reasons. But I think you guys are vastly overrating Ward's durability, especially agaainst a guy (Calzaghe) who was equally athletic, highly active every round, and adjusted well whenever he had to.

[bojangles1987]

Resume wise, then possibly Ward.

However, the bias of the TS shines through clearly, with gems such as people Calzaghe defeated being beaten easier afterwards. (Because after being pounded for 12 rounds we expected Lacy to be the same physically and pyschologically, right?)

Sometimes the fan game of "boxer X got beat by boxer B, but also got beat by boxer C" doesn't quite work. You have to take in account where the boxer is in their career, both in terms of career trajectory and in mental outlook. Obviously Kessler having accepted what it's like to lose once makes it easier for him to lose again, particularly if he's being butted in the face to achieve that.

As for references to Calzaghe not facing Froch, then Carl Froch wasn't even European level when Calzaghe "ducked" him. Why would someone with a world title accept a challenge from someone who isn't even highly ranked?

And Calzaghe not entering the Super Six if he'd had the chance... again, just pure speculation.



I say all this as a biased Brit, of course.

Darren Barker, lol.

[DiegoFuego]

If he wouldn't even fight Glen Johnson, I'm pretty sure he's not going to put himself in a position where he would have to face 6 fighters, all of whom are worlds better than Glen Johnson. Pure speculation, I admit. But most speculation is based on history.

[Guest]

I'll admit my bias right now. I think Ward has done more with his career already than Calzaghe ever did. Look how I voted. The poll is public. I am not saying Calzaghe is not a great fighter. I am saying he didn't capitalize on his talent by notching solid wins. This poll is about resume, not talent. I think Ward has Calzaghe beat in both categories for what it's worth. Not because he's American or because he's black (I'm Hispanic after all, so what do I care?). I criticized Roy the same way I criticize Calzaghe. All that talent and you're going to sit on it.

You know what? I actually agree with you. The funniest quote about Calzaghe came from, IMO, Carl Froch himself: "Calzaghe's career has more question marks than the Riddler's catsuit."

I just think you're misrepresenting slightly, slanting the facts a little in Ward's favour. I do think it's really pretty close, and you could argue that getting a contentious decision over an ancient Bore Hard > everything Ward has achieved so far. But the fact that the question can be asked and considered says a lot about Slapsie's career.

[DiegoFuego]

While I largely concur with your assessment of last night's fight, officially Ward didn't win 10 rounds as a majority view in the eyes of the people paid to score it.

Meaning what? Two incompetent judges scored a fight closer than it was? You don't see that EVER in boxing! Love to see your scorecard. I'm guessing it has more than 2 rounds in Froch's column.