Andre Ward vs Sergio Martinez

[DoktorSleepless]

Ummm what are you talking about?

He was 165lb at fight night against Barker. That's an average jr middleweight fight night weight. He came in at 164 back when he was fighting at jr middleweight.

[~AK49~]

martinez is willing to go down to 150 for pac, just like margarito. last fight against barker he was 165 on fight night, just like margarito. but yeah, i guess martinez needs to rack up a loss or be a lightweight for team pac to look at him.

Like i said earlier, pac has no business going past 147. What did he weigh in for the margarito fight? Plus, martinez would balloon 15-20 lbs overnight, the size discrepenecy is huge, yet its expected/potential for pac. But the other high ranking p4p cant move up any lbs?

I always thought p4p could be a rather meaningless saying. He's one of the best at his division, apparently nothing more.

[~AK49~]

Martinez is willing to move down 10 pounds at 150. It's not like he's asking Pacquiao to fight at 160.

Pac has no business touching 150, and martinez will gain 15-20 lbs overnight, and is naturally way stronger. Lettuce be real, the shoe is on the other foot.

[Light_Speed]

Like i said earlier, pac has no business going past 147. What did he weigh in for the margarito fight? Plus, martinez would balloon 15-20 lbs overnight, the size discrepenecy is huge, yet its expected/potential for pac. But the other high ranking p4p cant move up any lbs?

I always thought p4p could be a rather meaningless saying. He's one of the best at his division, apparently nothing more.

He rehydrated to 165 against Barker, a middlweight fight. Why is it ok for Margy to fight Pac at 151 and rehydrate to 165 but not for Martinez?

[chiguy91]

Like i said earlier, pac has no business going past 147. What did he weigh in for the margarito fight? Plus, martinez would balloon 15-20 lbs overnight, the size discrepenecy is huge, yet its expected/potential for pac. But the other high ranking p4p cant move up any lbs?

I always thought p4p could be a rather meaningless saying. He's one of the best at his division, apparently nothing more.

you're not making any sense. pacquiao didn't go past 147 against margarito so who says he has to against martinez? margarito weighed 150 like they wanted, martinez says he can do it. margarito weighed 165 lbs on fight night against pacquiao, so did martinez against barker.
and since when has p4p ranking mean you have to go up and fight in different divisions or be a multi-divisional champ? how many world titles in different weight classes has andre ward, tim bradley, vitali klitscko, wladimir klitschko, and pongsaklek wonjongkam held?

[~AK49~]

He rehydrated to 165 against Barker, a middlweight fight. Why is it ok for Margy to fight Pac at 151 and rehydrate to 165 but not for Martinez?

Its alright, thats not what im getting at. Plus, imo, martinezis way more skill/ more of a dangerous fighter with the size.

Im more or less focusing on martinez and his p4p claim, or being anywhere near the top of the list.

[teddycanyon]

nahhhh Martinez is a small middleweight, i don't see a jump up in weight class anytime soon frankly.

[~AK49~]

you're not making any sense. pacquiao didn't go past 147 against margarito so who says he has to against martinez? margarito weighed 150 like they wanted, martinez says he can do it. margarito weighed 165 lbs on fight night against pacquiao, so did martinez against barker.
and since when has p4p ranking mean you have to go up and fight in different divisions or be a multi-divisional champ? how many world titles in different weight classes has andre ward, tim bradley, vitali klitscko, wladimir klitschko, and pongsaklek wonjongkam held?

This has less to do with pac, and more to do with sergio. And a p4p ranking hasnt meant **** to me for a while, thus answering your since when question.

[Light_Speed]

Its alright, thats not what im getting at. Plus, imo, martinezis way more skill/ more of a dangerous fighter with the size.

Im more or less focusing on martinez and his p4p claim, or being anywhere near the top of the list.

Then your argument shouldn't be about the size. You don't necessarily need to beat guys bigger than you to be a highly ranked P4P fighter. All of Donaire's opponents were either as big or smaller than him;

[~AK49~]

Then your argument shouldn't be about the size. You don't necessarily need to beat guys bigger than you to be a highly ranked P4P fighter. All of Donaire's opponents were either as big or smaller than him;

Thats what some consider, not me. I make a distinction between best in a division, and actual p4p. P4p is a significant, meaningful phrase, and isnt a word loosely thrown out there. Fighting somebody your own size is just a fair fight. Holding your own against people that are bigger than you is whats significant to me. Sure, one should be able to beat guys their own size, and if they cant then they are just ****ty(ier) fighters. But moving up and murking people is what brings special significance to your size, thus being p4p.

even if manny lost to floyd, i would still probably consider him p4p better than mayweather.