Andre Ward vs Sergio Martinez

[~AK49~]

But if Floyd dominates Pacquiao and shows that his skills are so much superior that if he was 3-4 lbs smaller it would be the same outcome, how can you still consider Pac a better P4P fighter?

You should follow what ive been saying with how I regard p4p. Pac has done more in the p4p department, inclluding murking a man 20 lbs heavier than him on fight night. If floyd beats pacquiao, no doubt he would be the better boxer, but he is a natural WW, and could easily compete in the LMW.

Not saying it wouldnt be a possibility for me to consider floyd as #1 p4p if he murked manny, but considering the work that pac has put in, in beating guys way bigger than him, i might still be inclined to give him the p4p crown. Again, i seperate best in the division, and p4p. Being best in your division doesnt qualify you as p4p imo, it just means you are not a ****ty fighter, which you are not supposed to be. You have to do something extraordinary to give any significance to your weight, hence p4p.

How does anyone think this fight is interesting? Martinez has no shot.

And people think manny has a shot against martinez? Better yet, people think manny has a shot against cotto? etc.

Martinez has absolutely no chance at SMW, so we should just drop that discussion already lol

Ya, and pacquiao doesnt have a chance in hell against Cotto. Hes just too big, theres no way he could hurt him.

[~AK49~]

are you sure ward weighs 170-180 on fight night? i don't remember seeing numbers, showtime hasn't been showing them from what i can remember. either way, if that is what he weighs, martinez' career isn't known for going up and fighting bigger guys. like many say, martinez is considered a rather small middleweight. and again, not all p4p fighters fight bigger guys so not all of them should be held to that standard. we know pac's limit is WW since he can't even come in at the scales at 147, martinez himself never came in at 160, but both weigh above the limit on fight night. the idea of pac fighting guys 10 or so lbs bigger than him can't be transferred to his opponents because that's not what they're known for a or built a rep on, even though it does seem fair to be able say that. my thing is when martinez says can he be the same size as margarito on the scales and on fight night, saying "martinez is picking on smaller guys" isn't fair because that smaller guy dealt with guys martinez' size.

No, im not sure. Im fairly confident the size discrepency wouldnt be as bad as pac-marg tho.

edit: might be as bad, but if martinez really is a beast (p4p), then he should be able to hold his own and make it competetive, even hurt ward.

[lefthook2daliva]

It's like Anderson Silva vs GSP.. While theoretically would be good fight, the bigger guy is much bigger! Ward could go to 175 easily where as Martinez can't really go beyond 160

I'd favor Ward even if they were the same size, but Martinez is probably too small to be moving up an extra 8 pounds. He fought as a jr middleweight in his last fight. Martinez said he'd consider 164, but I doubt Ward is interested in that because he's already talking about fighting at light heavyweight.

They're plenty close enough in size.

Ward is only 2 inches taller than Martinez but Sergio enjoys a 4 inch reach advantage on Ward.

Lucian Bute is another nice style match I'd like to see for Martinez. Again Sergio is shorter (3 & 1/2 inches) but enjoys a 2 inch reach advantage.

Considering the size of the 2 guys he's calling out Sergio Martinez is well within acceptable size difference to fight both Ward and Bute @ 168.

Will probably never happen, but I'd love to see it.

[bojangles1987]

You should follow what ive been saying with how I regard p4p. Pac has done more in the p4p department, inclluding murking a man 20 lbs heavier than him on fight night. If floyd beats pacquiao, no doubt he would be the better boxer, but he is a natural WW, and could easily compete in the LMW.

Not saying it wouldnt be a possibility for me to consider floyd as #1 p4p if he murked manny, but considering the work that pac has put in, in beating guys way bigger than him, i might still be inclined to give him the p4p crown. Again, i seperate best in the division, and p4p. Being best in your division doesnt qualify you as p4p imo, it just means you are not a ****ty fighter, which you are not supposed to be. You have to do something extraordinary to give any significance to your weight, hence p4p.



And people think manny has a shot against martinez? Better yet, people think manny has a shot against cotto? etc.



Ya, and pacquiao doesnt have a chance in hell against Cotto. Hes just too big, theres no way he could hurt him.

Has nothing to do with size. Martinez is not a good enough fighter to beat Ward. Ward would completely shut him down and embarrass him.

[IronDanHamza]

Ward would dominate Martinez.

[Dubblechin]

Andre Ward won the gold medal in the 2004 Olympics in the 178-pound weight division.

He's one of those guys who is a natural "cruiserweight" who sweats down to super middle for weigh-ins and then rehydrates back up to 180+ pounds.

He had to fight at 178 in the Olympics because he had to weigh-in the day of every fight. That was his natural weight SEVEN years ago. He competed in the same division in the Olympics that Muhammad Ali, Leon Spinks, and Evander Holyfield did before him.

Any thought of Ward fighting Sergio Martinez is a joke. Truthfully, he should be fighting at Light Heavyweight and Cruiserweight. He's just been taking advantage of the day-prior weigh-ins to fight in the lower divisions.

[puga]

martinez aint really too small, he's just too scared..the man was around 176 30 days before the pwill rematch meaning he walks around 180ish....

[Bushbaby]

Ward flattens Martinez.